Looking for a QUALITY bolt action 7.62X39

[hoytcanon]

I've got one(cz) and i love it!-great shooter and feels light and nimble at the same time...mine happens to like cheap russian non corrosive ammo enough for a 1.75 inch group at 200 yards and with the hornady sst tipped hunting ammo it shoots one ragged hole at 100...the only complaint is the bolt handle but cz offers a modified one now that clears the scope better,i guess the original one was really just designed for use with open sights...ive got a leupold vx3 2.5-8 on warne qd rings and it works great now ...also the adjustable set trigger is just amazing!... for a relatively inexpensive rifle you can't go wrong with the cz carbine...ive been thinking about getting the 223 version as well ever since i got this one...

Can you post a picture of your gun on this thread please?

 

[Bowie]

Why not (pun intended) get a M-7 or a short action 700, find a reasonably priced, light contour .30 caliber barrel that can be trimmed to 20" or so, and chamber it for 7.62X39. With a .308" bore, the bullet selection for the little rifle would be much better than a .310"

The base size for 7.62x39 is considerably smaller than the .308 based cartridges. Savage makes a bolt face the right diameter, but then you are still left with a Savage...

 

[Boomer]

The base size for 7.62x39 is considerably smaller than the .308 based cartridges. Savage makes a bolt face the right diameter, but then you are still left with a Savage...

Well now that's true, and to see if the difference was enough to worry about I just pulled the bolt out of my M-700 .308 and sure enough, when the 7.62X39 is pressed against the bolt face on the opposite side from the extractor, it won't grab the rim. Admittedly, until I tried this I didn't think the difference would have mattered. So what has to happen then is to find a 700 that started life as a .222/.223, or spend the money on a new .222 M-700 bolt body, then open the bolt face for the 7.62X39 head size, which neatly solves the Savage dilemma.

 

[flyinlead]

The really cool thing about the 527 is that it's a micro Mauser action, unlike other 7.62x39 guns that are built on short actions. If CZ chambers it in 6.5 Grendel I'd sure have a hard time not buying one!

 

[rgv]

Well now that's true, and to see if the difference was enough to worry about I just pulled the bolt out of my M-700 .308 and sure enough, when the 7.62X39 is pressed against the bolt face on the opposite side from the extractor, it won't grab the rim. Admittedly, until I tried this I didn't think the difference would have mattered. So what has to happen then is to find a 700 that started life as a .222/.223, or spend the money on a new .222 M-700 bolt body, then open the bolt face for the 7.62X39 head size, which neatly solves the Savage dilemma.

The difference is 26 thou

It works fine in a range gun or plinker, at least in a 700 and a PF model 70

The odd time with steel cases, it will drop a case if you cycle slowly but it's no big deal..

You can bevel the plunger ejector slightly to push the case into the center of the boltface as well.

 

[Forty4Forty]

Correct a great rifle, shoots well, hates milsurp though, the lacquer sticks in chamber.

The AIA Lee Enfield ones in 7.62x39mm are a nice little unit that are really well put together (way over built) and use easy to get mags. A big plus is that they come with a chrome lined bore, so you can shoot ex-mil ammo without worrying about it starting to rust on the way home.

 

[Salty]

Not sure if would meet the "Quality" definition for some but there's a 7.62x39 Savage model 10 scout in the EE right now that I'd bet would do very well meeting the accurate goal. I believe scopes can be mounted in a traditional manner on them too.

 

[Bowie]

I've owned a Ruger 77, CZ 527 and Zastava all in 7.62x39. The only one I occasionally miss is the CZ. The Ruger was decent, but that cartridge in a .308 length action is goofy. In the end, the 7.62x39 in a bolt gun is more a novelty than anything else. I shot a couple whitetails with the CZ, but found myself hoping that the big buck wouldn't step out at 300 yards without me having a real rifle in my hands. In the end I sold it because I really couldn't see me using it for anything other than playing with. I briefly thought about buying one again for my 12 year old boy to hunt with, but decided he would be better served with a .243 or .250-3000, both of which have similar recoil, but shoot flatter.
As far as the cheap ammo angle goes, it hurts to run cheap (corrosive) ammo through a nice rifle, plus you occasionally get light primer hits from the SKS proof hard primers, and decent ammo costs as much as .308.

Just my opinion though, and being that I played this game three times, I am really not in any position to try and talk you out of it.

 

[kamlooky]

I've owned a Ruger 77, CZ 527 and Zastava all in 7.62x39. The only one I occasionally miss is the CZ. The Ruger was decent, but that cartridge in a .308 length action is goofy. In the end, the 7.62x39 in a bolt gun is more a novelty than anything else. I shot a couple whitetails with the CZ, but found myself hoping that the big buck wouldn't step out at 300 yards without me having a real rifle in my hands. In the end I sold it because I really couldn't see me using it for anything other than playing with. I briefly thought about buying one again for my 12 year old boy to hunt with, but decided he would be better served with a .243 or .250-3000, both of which have similar recoil, but shoot flatter.
As far as the cheap ammo angle goes, it hurts to run cheap (corrosive) ammo through a nice rifle, plus you occasionally get light primer hits from the SKS proof hard primers, and decent ammo costs as much as .308.

Just my opinion though, and being that I played this game three times, I am really not in any position to try and talk you out of it.

Thanks for the heads up and real life comparison on these wee caliber/calibre shooters.
I've always maintained that a good shooting .308win in the multitude of bullet weight and powder charges can out beat
these less qualified bragged up chamberings.
Battery armour is on.

 

[Boomer]

The difference is 26 thou

It works fine in a range gun or plinker, at least in a 700 and a PF model 70

The odd time with steel cases, it will drop a case if you cycle slowly but it's no big deal..

You can bevel the plunger ejector slightly to push the case into the center of the boltface as well.

That's by the book, but actual rounds are often undersized. The unfired milsurp round I had picked up at the range, possibly eastern European manufacture although the head stamp is difficult to read, measures .445" according to Mr Mitutoyo, but then again some American brass is undersized as well, I just measured a Federal .30/06 case rim that's .468" rather than .473". There is no plunger in the bolt face of my 700 target rifle, I removed it so it could not force a cartridge out of alignment with the bore, and the extractor is a SAKO (I hope Guntech doesn't see that). A factory Remington extractor if not worn, is longer, and might be able to catch the 7.62x39 rim.

 

[rgv]

A factory Remington extractor if not worn, is longer, and might be able to catch the 7.62x39 rim.

Might?

Lol I've done it. It works.

It also worked for the thousands of (old school now) BR guns that were built on sleeved Remington 700s and chambered for PPC cartridges.

 

[Jet B]

I really like my CZ527 Carbine. I put a Burris 4.5-14 Timberline scope on it with the Burris/CZ rings I don't find the scope mounted too high for my liking at all and the bolt clears nicely. It's controlled feed, and has a great set trigger which I like a lot.

The Turkish walnut stock is beautiful too, and the rifle is really light and well balanced in my opinion. It really is a fun one to shoot. All I have fed mine so far is cheap Norinco corrosive and it eats it fine. For fun, cheap shooting you can't get much better value in a rifle. Last time I went to the range, I spent about 3 hours there shooting non-stop and it cost me less than $12. At this point in my shooting habit, the rifle is more accurate than me so I won't comment on the potential for MOA, but I was consistently putting that Norinco surplus within a couple inches at 100 yards. I'm pretty new to shooting though and still learning to sight my scopes in as I go. That was kind of the point of this rifle for me, I can practice all day long without breaking the bank or my shoulder.

I'm never parting with this rifle.