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I am looking to participate in a 3/4 gun type event rifle-ar/shotgun-pistol. I just came back from a business trip in North Carolina and they have these tactical 3 gun events - Sort of like IDPA in that it is more realistic than say IPSC - but they also add rifle (sniper rifle) and or shotgun and /or AR 15's and pistol depending on the match or stage. It was the best time I have had in years shooting. Very politically incorrect! And fun! Very socialble and attracted great rifle/shotgun/AR an pistol shooters. Because of the array of events and stages anyone had a chance of winning...not just the IPDA or IPSC guys.

There must have been close to 200 competitors from all various backgrounds...military, police and civilian. No one is afraid of wearing tactical and camo gear. Tailgate BBQ's and major sponsors all contributed to a great social event as well as shooting experience.

Do any of the clubs here offer this type of match?
 
Not likely!..I shot one of those matches in Arizona last year. Lots of excitement!

Most of these shoots have been established in response to a lack-luster USPSA events where too much emphasis is placed on pistol and rules and not enough on the other disciplines - rifle - shotgun and real life type scenarios.

There are three gun matches here in Ontario - IPSC run - but they are not that frequent. There generally seems to be a reluctance to run 3 gun events here...and in fairness it is due mostly to a lack of volunteers, and other related resources. It takes a lot of effort to run these events and IPSC folks do a great job...but they have to cater to their members - mosty pistol...so it is not any wonder why there are few 3 gun events.

Safety is an issue as well. The IPSC Black Badge is at least an indication that the shooter has achieved some level of competence and demonstrates he/she can run a course safely.

Best advice join IPSC, get your Black Badge and lend one your local IPSC club a hand. They might then entertain the idea of a 3 gun...especially if you organize it.
 
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There was a group on this forum last spring that was doing something of this sort. Maybe one of them can provide some information.

Your other option is the ORA. They run several 3 gun matches and have clinics to help. Their three gun is sniper, AR and pistol. All of their events are held at military bases...so bear that in mind as they may be distant from you.

Their website is www.ontariorifleassociation.org. I have shot in their events and they run great matches. You can look under the service rifle forum and precision rifle forum for more ORA info.

These are the most "realistic" events run. IPSC is a "game" and position themselves as such. IDPA is less so. But service rifle and precision rife, pistol and the 3 gun matches they run are aimed more toward drills that the reserve and military personal could/would/should use. Is is scenario based like IDPA..no. But it does test and build shooting skills.

Contact them and go to one of their clinics and judge for yourself.
 
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Bluewater Sportmans Club in Michigan has a 3 gun combat match every month starting in April,also has sniper matches.You do not have to worry about someone telling you that you cannot be on this range and that you will have to leave because your wearing camo clothing like most politically correct Canadian ranges,everyone wears camo clothing on this range,tactical vest,thigh holters and great bunch shooters out have some fun.Most matches have about 6 ranges going with 1 to 2 stages per range.Usually aout 200 rds of handgun 100rds rifle and 75 rds shotgun.The range is about 10 minutes across the border from Port Huron.There about 15 Candians that go to these matches.There website is michigan3guncombat.com
 
Thanks Lonewolf

The 3 gun link for Michigan looks really great. It is too bad Canadian ranges don't do more of these kinds of matches. It would certainly attract more shooters and result in a bigger "userbase". I am sure this would make it harder for the CFC to isolate AR or Mini-14 owners and say there was no "sporting" purpose for their use.

I could not get over the number of competitors at the US matches. And the fair-like atmosphere...And because I have been conditioned not to wear camo at the range... I felt out of place.eveyone was wearing camo... not becasue they had any illusions about being wantabe Rambo's... but because it is just the most practical clothing for shooting...ask any hunter.

If the shooting sports are to survive in Canada, we need to take a page from our American cousins on this one and try to find ways to get more people competing and coming out to matches.

Hope more clubs see the light and hold more of these matches.

Maybe there should be a separate forum for 3 gun matches on this board.
 
cannon7mm said:
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Maybe there should be a separate forum for 3 gun matches on this board.
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Yes that will be up just after we get the tiddly winks forum up and running.:)

Seriously............I have run 5 IPSC 3 gun matches at EESA and everyone has been like pulling teeth to get people out to shoot.

It does NOT do the heart well to spend countless hours designing stages, building props, then taking a whole day off work to build the stages all to have a grand total of 25-30 shooters come out to the competition.

Often I think that the last one I did WILL be the LAST one............but I keep going back to them because I like them. Mind you I could just as easily put some stages together with some friends and run them.
 
Stormbringer...

I am assuming that these are IPSC sponsored matches. Do they help you promote the event?

Your hard work is appreciated I am sure by all of those that attend.

Let me know if there is anything I might be able to help you with on the promotion side.

CBA
 
What exactly do you mean by IPSC Sponsored? They are IPSC Sanctioned, they are listed on the webiste, and an email goes out to all members a few weeks prior to the event...

We had the same 25ish turnout for the EOHC 3 Gun in the summer...3 gun matches are just starting to catch on among the members...it's going to take some time the same way it did for Production Division...
 
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In NS; for a small membership, overall, we get a pretty decent % of them turn out to shoot IPSC matches, but after 3 years of 3 gun, it is still a small turnout. Here's what I figure:

1. Not everyone has 3 competitive guns. (even though we offer to loan anything missing - even provide the ammo, they just have to pay for the ammo.)

2. It's more expensive. Toss in Buckshot, Rifle and Slug rounds and the cost of ammo goes way up over a single day's 130 rounds of reloaded pistol.

3. It's a long day compared to just pistol. Rifle stages take a long time to patch / score (even with an ATV); resetting 20 pieces of steel in a shotgun stage takes a long time. "Load and make ready" with most shotguns takes a long time. We start eatly (8AM) to get it done, but when you look around the range at 4 PM - those are some seriously tired faces.

I like it and as long as I'm involved, there will be one at AMA each year regardless of turnout but I honestly never see it being on par in attendance to a pistol match.
 
The other issue is
That most people that are in to the "3 gun thing" are not ipsc shooters
i often have 3 gun combat matches but most are not ipsc BB people.
There is this idea in ipsc that if you do not have your ipsc BB that you don,t know how to shoot or be safe.
There is somthing to that i will agree, but there is alot of people that know what they are doing that have no intrest in ipsc.
But i guess thats they way any click it,
Myself i shoot just about all shooting sports
ipsc , 3gun long range and shotgun, i,m intrested in promoting all shooting sports not just ipsc.
But saying that if we get ipsc 3 gun going bigger i think we will bring in more non ipsc types into the ipsc sport to shoot ipsc 3 gun.
bbb
 
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I agree with you BBB. I think that there is an opportunity to get non-IPSC types to come out and participate in the long-gun portion of a three gun match. The various provincial rifle associations do this safely for their evets. From this there might be an opportunity to build IPSC membership as well - which would serve to increase the profile of the sport- but the main objective is to get people out.

It is more important that we promote overall participation and use, than worry about who ownes the turf.


As a sport we need to find ways to broaden our appeal and draw other firearms owners into becoming active. Once they are in the "door" so to speak at an event, then is the time to give them the pitch about IPSC or the ORA etc.

Our scarcest resource these days is the number of active shooters that can reach out to non-active gun owners and new shooters...especially the young.

As an industry and sport we need an effective plan to do this. Events such as 3gun may be the way.

At my club we regularly allow new shooters to shoot IPSC rifle and shotgun. They are given one on one instruction and given the chance to participate in a "coached" environment.

Most of these folks become regulars. Several of them have made the jump to the BB...some only continue to shoot the rifle or shotgun match...but they all ended up buying their own AR or 870. Overall it is a win.

Having had some experience in running membership building events for clubs, I know these types of approaches work.

But it takes time, patience and organization... all of the things IPSC organizers are good at. It would be a big plus for the sport. So what if the person only chose to shoot his/her AR. Better that than nothing.
 
why not try 2 gun events.....I would invest in a tactical rifle or tactical shotgun in fact it is next on my list but one is easier the a whole set....reloading support equipment etc...
 
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why not try 2 gun events.....I would invest in a tactical rifle or tactical shotgun in fact it is next on my list but one is easier the a whole set....reloading support equipment etc...
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There are a few clubs around that hold shotgun side matches at some of the IPSC Sanctioned matches. Not extremely common but they do happen more often than full 3 gun matches...
 
Cannon7mm:

Yes we are here. Yup, I'm one of the match organizers for the 3 Gun, Service format. We compete with Service Rifle, Sniper Rifle, and Service pistol.

These matches are taken in bits and pieces from the NSCC and / or CFSAC manuals. We run at least 2 every year. This coming 2006, we will be running them up at www.milcun.com , home of Keith Cunningham and Linda Miller.

Here's the great news.... ALL of us are wearing tac vests and thigh rigs. Yuk, yuk... Even Greentips shows up with his chest rig and SO Tech Groundpounder / or is it Pillowbiter holster ??? yuk yuk yuk. Sorry, GT, I could not resist. Often Sparhawk or is it Evildoer will show up with his HK USP or whatever high tech toy he happens to show up with.

Yes, we have CGN members showing up to these matches... where's ONT0001 ? He's around here somewhere... he rocks our world in sniper and pistol matches.

What else can I tell you about these tactical 3 gun matches ?

Cheers,
Barney
 
Thanks Hungry...

How do you qualify the people for pistol or do they have to be holster qualified? Is there a clinic that you run even if they are qualified?

Sounds like a good time. I will get the ORA info and check it out.

Thanks for the info.
 
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