Looking for advice on Prohibs

D

darrstew

CGN Regular
Rating - 100%
17   0   0
Location
Kawartha Lakes, ON
Hello everyone, I certainly had an interesting week and I'm looking for a little advice. Long story short I was a middle man for a rifle deal between my father and a fellow CGN here. I had to provide proof of PAL for the seller. In doing so I found out that he's 12(6) and he really had no idea what it even meant. Looking into the future he should be able to pass on everything pre 46 to me.

Here is the question is it best for me to rush out and get my restricted and have him transfer me something to get 12(7) status ASAP ?? I currently don't have RPAL but can get it over the winter. I'm just thinking will all the turmoil going on and all the recent outrage about firearms it would be a shame to wait and not be able aquire some handguns that have been in the family for multiple generations if the current laws change.

In regards to 12(7) eligible firearms is it even worth going out and buyingeligible firearms that can be passed down to me for resale down the road ?? If I'm correct the market will be pretty small in 20 years for 12(6) PAL holders will it not ??
 
Last edited:
If there is something 12/6 you have the hot's for, find one and have him buy it for you. Other than that, I wouldn't bother. Unfortunately you wouldn't be eligible for the really neat ones Most of the pre 46 ones (with some notable exceptions, ppk, luger etc.) are really only of value to collectors and aren't the highest quality to begin with. I've noticed even the price of ppk's seems to be coming down lately. I have 12/6, and am really only interested in quality late model interesting prohibs. Even snub 38's are barely breaking the $300 mark.
 
The market for short barrels is definitely going to shrink. I think the youngest people with 12(6) are 40.
May your father live for decades to come.
I will tell you to go get your Restricted. Save whatever you can from the smelter. I think you would be able to save all of his 12(6)
 
Go get your restricted regardless.

If you want a 12 (6) gun that was made before 46, your dad can have it transferred to you as a living inheritance. Just make sure he doesn't sell his last 12 (6) prohib off or that with end it all.
 
Thanks for all the advice. I intended to get my restricted at some point anyway but I was unaware up until now he had 12(6) status. I guess it's time to get my butt in gear in case someone in Ottawa decides to change the laws again. That being said I have been having a hard time finding anything pre 46 that I'm interested in. I would absolutely love a Luger and PPK but haven't come across anything under $1000.
 
At the risk of sounding negative, I think that by the end of Trudeau's second term, we'll be lucky to be able to legally own handguns of any sort.
 
trebor2880 said:
At the risk of sounding negative, I think that by the end of Trudeau's second term, we'll be lucky to be able to legally own handguns of any sort.
Click to expand...

Take a look at the current firearms regulation regime in the uk & australia.
You’re looking at canada 5 years or less from now.
Semis, ars, handguns, short barreled (bbls < 16”) rifles & shotguns GONE.
 
good Lugers have always been expensive, 600. and up, PPK's not so much , except here.
I have sold several good PPK's in the 450. to 600.oo for exc with spare mags and holsters, none right now.
As some one said above make sure your dad does not sell his last 12.6, if he does , as soon as the transfer is approved, he is no longer 12.6 and can't get any more.
The early mauser 25 are neat little guns for not much, pre war brownings 1910 are great pistols, and the Colts1908 25 and 32 pocket pistols can be found reasonable some times.
But as a old fart that shoots a lot of snubbies, don't spend too much
 
darrstew said:
Hello everyone, I certainly had an interesting week and I'm looking for a little advice. Long story short I was a middle man for a rifle deal between my father and a fellow CGN here. I had to provide proof of PAL for the seller. In doing so I found out that he's 12(6) and he really had no idea what it even meant. Looking into the future he should be able to pass on everything pre 46 to me.

Here is the question is it best for me to rush out and get my restricted and have him transfer me something to get 12(7) status ASAP ?? I currently don't have RPAL but can get it over the winter. I'm just thinking will all the turmoil going on and all the recent outrage about firearms it would be a shame to wait and not be able aquire some handguns that have been in the family for multiple generations if the current laws change.

In regards to 12(7) eligible firearms is it even worth going out and buyingeligible firearms that can be passed down to me for resale down the road ?? If I'm correct the market will be pretty small in 20 years for 12(6) PAL holders will it not ??
Click to expand...

First off, interesting fact: You do not need your restricted license to be a 12(6) or 12(7) holder, but if you did not have your 12(6) prior to 1998, then you do need the CRFS Course.

With all the turmoil going on, the more people with 12(6) or 12(7) the better, but at the end it might not matter, depending on how bold the Liberals want to be.

You will notice that because the pool of legal buyers of 12(6.1) handguns is shrinking, the prices are coming down and availability is going up. If I were you, I would be financing your fathers acquisition of every single pre46 12.6.1 firearm you can find, and then transferring them to you immediately. I would want at least one for every member of your immediate family that would be interested in owning one, and spread that net as far and wide as possible. Not sure I would have him bother with any post 46 12.6.1 handguns, as it is most likely the guns will never legally pass from his possession.
 
darrstew said:
I was under the impression as a 12(7) everything would stop at me ?? Unless my son is able to get his PAL and my father is able to transfer pre 46 12(6) into his name.
Click to expand...

So two things need to be grandfathered. The pistol, and the license holder.

Section 12.6.1 describes the rules for the pistol.

Section 12.6 and 12.7 describe two different criteria for the individual.

(6.1) Subsection (6) applies in respect of a handgun

(a) that has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length or that is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge; and

(b) in respect of which

(i) on December 1, 1998 a registration certificate had been issued to an individual under the former Act,

So as long as the handgun was registered under the previous act, to SOMEONE, the handgun is eligible for grandfathering and can continue to be legally owned by SOMEONE.

(7) A particular individual is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the particular individual to possess a particular handgun referred to in subsection (6.1) that was manufactured before 1946 if the particular individual is the spouse or common-law partner or a brother, sister, child or grandchild of an individual who was eligible under this subsection or subsection (6) to hold a licence authorizing the individual to possess the particular handgun.

The underlined portion is key. You need not be an original 12.6 license holder in order to transfer that 12.6.1 eligible handgun to another 12.7 holder. 12.6 papa transfers to son via 12.7, son gets a 12.7 license. That son can then transfer to spouse, children, siblings, and then those people can transfer to theirs, and on and on. Import thing to keep in mind here is you need to have the gun in order to have the license, so you can't pass one gun around for everyone to get their prohib license. You lose prohib status as soon as you don't own any registered prohibs.
 
Thank you everyone for all the clarification. I have tried to do my homework but sifting through everything has been downright confusing. Until last week I had wrongly assumed everything my father had was restricted rather then prohib. That is definitely a game changer and I feel obligated to at the very least get my 12(7) status to keep it going for as long as possible. I'm honestly not sure if it's a blessing or a curse to be honest. I feel my wallet may take quite the beating. I guess I'm just going to have to explain to the wife I keep finding amazing $100 deals on handguns and I can't pass them up ;) Lol
 
Last edited:
Cameron SS said:
(7) A particular individual is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the particular individual to possess a particular handgun referred to in subsection (6.1) that was manufactured before 1946 if the particular individual is the spouse or common-law partner or a brother, sister, child or grandchild of an individual who was eligible under this subsection or subsection (6) to hold a licence authorizing the individual to possess the particular handgun.
Click to expand...

This is something I wasn't aware of. Can those in the know confirm that an eligible 12(6) can be transferred to a brother? I am a collector and my brother is an RPAL holder. He would love to have a couple of 12(7) pistols if this is possible.
 
Worst case scenario OntarioTim I would call your provincial CFO. You shouldn't have to get into specific details if you don't want to. When my dad was dealing with my grandmother's/grandfather's estate they were very pleasant to deal with.
 
OntarioTim said:
This is something I wasn't aware of. Can those in the know confirm that an eligible 12(6) can be transferred to a brother? I am a collector and my brother is an RPAL holder. He would love to have a couple of 12(7) pistols if this is possible.
Click to expand...

YES! My wife's grandfather had qty-4 S 12.7 eligible 12.6.1 handguns. She received all of them when he passed. 3 were transferred to me. I then transferred two to my brother, one of which was then transferred to his son. 19 years old with his 12.7 prohib... might be a record.

Bottom line is once you are a legal owner of 12.6.1 handgun, you can transfer it to any of the people listed in 12.7.
 
The problem for the OP as I read it is he wishes to purchase 12.6 guns from people other than family members who have 12.6. I don't think this is possible.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom