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I am looking to start clay target shooting here in Alberta, and am looking for an over and under 12 gauge that will not cost and arm and a leg. prefereably a light weight as I would like to get my wife to try it as well.
I have looked at the browning citori and the CZ but the brownings new are a little rich and the CZ's I am having trouble finding any around. Any suggestions out there and anyone got anything for sale that may be reasonably priced?
CJ
 
When it comes to clay target shooting, heavy is your friend, and light is your enemy. That is also true for your wife. For an equal load, the lighter gun will have higher felt recoil and will be less pleasant to shoot.

As for the reason the Brownings are more expensive than the CZs, you get what you pay for. Clay target shooting is a high volume shooting sport. Buy a good gun and you will cry once. Buy a cheap gun, and you will cry everu time that you use it. Find a good used Beretta or Browning O/U that fits you. You will never regret it.
 
pacobillie said:
When it comes to clay target shooting, heavy is your friend, and light is your enemy. That is also true for your wife. For an equal load, the lighter gun will have higher felt recoil and will be less pleasant to shoot.

As for the reason the Brownings are more expensive than the CZs, you get what you pay for. Clay target shooting is a high volume shooting sport. Buy a good gun and you will cry once. Buy a cheap gun, and you will cry everu time that you use it. Find a good used Beretta or Browning O/U that fits you. You will never regret it.
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Shooting 1oz target ammo isn't going to recoil enough to hurt anyone's wifes shoulder. Yildez make some fine shooting and light weight handling over and unders. P&D in Edmonton usually have a model or 2 in stock. FS
 
pacobillie said:
Find a good used Beretta or Browning O/U that fits you. You will never regret it.
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An O/U has a lot of finely made parts and counterweights. Don't spend good money on bad knock offs. You do get what you pay for, and you will regret buying an economy version. If they work, they don't work for very long. I have a set of Berettas in 12 and 20g that have outlasted several generations of cheapo O/Us that shooting pals have purchased for hunting, trap, and sporting clays. The ones that haven't upgraded or wish that they did, have paid for with down time, repairs, malfunctions, and missed shots.
 
Heavy or light gun dont matter.
they all dont kick with target loads unless you have a bad shoulder. if it does kick, then use 8oz shots rather than 7 1/2.
I would recommand used browning citori or any used O/U gun. First, I would consider for you to find a gun that "FIT" you since sporting side of shotgun is all about the gun fitting your body.
If you are a member at local trap/skeet club, most of those people will have beretta 6 series, browning citory, and few semi autos for you to use and test. Some might even sell you one for good price!
I would personally never buy anything "Cheap" in O/U new in sporing or trap gun. I have seen few people with cheap CZ or mossy breaking their firing pins after few thousand rounds which is unheared of. Experienced guns that are known will still last you your life time if you take care of it.
BT99, Citori, Beretta 682 are some of many Known to last guns with their good reputation for O/U.
Beretta A391, A400, Browning Maxis, Rem 870,800. and more are known in semi auto world.

I personally collect most beretta O/U Trap and sporting shotguns and have had few Blaser F3 sporting, SV10, caesar guerini trap, and others to have fun with. The thing is... all those expensive guns are fun to shoot but i still shoot 10 year old bear up and modded Beretta A391 trap all the time because it fits me the best.
Hope you can shoot before you try it for any sporting, skeet, and trap guns so you know that it fits your body perfectly. if you find one, then she is a keeper and will play with her for very long time.
Let me know how much you are thinking of spending and straight, monte-carlo stock or sporting, trap barrels and i might be able to track one down for ya with reasonable price.
cheers and hope this helped little!
 
Heavy or light gun DOES matter. 8 oz of shot will hurt! If you mean #8 shot instead of #7 1/2,you should know that an equal weight of either will recoil the same:)
 
i use 7 1/2 32dram loads on my O/U @ 1290 fps which is max to shoot at 5 stand.
maybe i got so used to heavy recoil on my high caliber rifles, all trap loads dont really bother me at all....
shoulder replacement coming up soon maybe ??????
 
Let me clear it then. am using 7 1/2 @ 32gr moving at 1280 fps for trap load.

other guy was prob talking about 1 1/8oz "8shot" since most reloaders or clay shooters say 8oz in short for 1 1/8oz.


I use the 32gr for handicap and doubles usually. Mostly i will use 1 1/8oz 7 1/2 shot for 16. but when not in comp, i will shoot whatever my hand grabs.

and yes the handicap load does kick a bit more lol.. well lot more...

. hope this one made more "sense" for ya
 
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Most reloaders or clay shooters DO NOT SAY 8oz in short for 1 1/8 oz. If you are a reloader or if you give advice, you should get your terminology right!
 
There are many fine makes of o/u guns of all $$$. Some people will insist you need a $$$ Browning or a Beretta to shoot good, BS. I have shot trap and International skeet with a Japanese SKS long before people knew what it was and I could do my 24-25 birds no problem. I have shot many different guns some $ some $$$. The $$$ are so sweet but not ment for the normal persons pocket book. Look for a lower end Browning Citori, Ruger, Savage, SKB, Miruko, FAIR. And it goes on and on. All these companies have been making their stuff mostly for longer than we have been alive, so I presume they know what they are doing and offer good to great quality or they wouldn't be in business. I now shoot a Savage Milano made by FAIR in Italy and it's an incredible gun, new it was $1600.00. My brother shoots a $20,000.00 Kreigoff( hope my spelling is right) and I can shoot with him any day of the week even with the huge difference in price. My point is not to get to hung up on certain brands or you are going to miss some real gems. I hope you find what will work for you, happy shooting !
 
other guy was prob talking about 1 1/8oz "8shot" since most reloaders or clay shooters say 8oz in short for 1 1/8oz.
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Not one of the many trap and skeet shooters or reloaders, that I know do.

Most reloaders or clay shooters DO NOT SAY 8oz in short for 1 1/8 oz. If you are a reloader or if you give advice, you should get your terminology right!
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Exactly!

And nobody that I know of shoots 32 dram loads. Many people shoot 2-3/4 dram or 3 dram loads, but 32dram is ridiculous.

Heavy or light gun DOES matter. 8 oz of shot will hurt!
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8oz of shot with a 32 dram load would pretty much knock a shooter off of his feet.
 
Yes, recoil does matter, even in target loads. Go shoot 500 1 1/8oz 1350fps loads, then repeat with (or 7/8) oz 1200fps loads. You'll notice a difference, and if you say you don't you're full of it.

If you want to get into the game, go with something really cheap to start (think 870), shoot the crap out of it, and try other peoples guns. The biggest thing is fit, it can be the be all, end all of guns, but if it doesn't fit you, you won't hit anything (well, as much anyways). When you find what fits you, spend some money. You'll end up spending less in the long run, rather than going from mid-range to mid-range.

For the record I love my Beretta 682 Gold! I was shooting a borrowed Zoli Z-Sport, and switching to the 682 my scores went up a consistent 5-10 birds (sporting clays). Zoli: $5500, 682: $4200.
 
Have to agree with the others, get your terminology right before someone takes your advice andd gets hurt. I think you mean to say 32 grams, not drams. Europeans measure loads in grams, us good old Canucks use DRAMS. Don't mix them up or you may hear the loudest bang you ever heard!!
 
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I think you mean to say 32 grams, not drams. Europeans measure loads in grams, us good old Canucks use DRAMS.
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After 70 years of being a Canuck, I have yet to see anything sold in DRAMS but just to make sure if I see something in the future do you mean drams in the avoirdupois measurement system which would be 1.77 grams or do you mean the apothecaries system in which case it would be 3.88 grams (this being equal to 3 scruples) or are you referring to fluid measurements in which case a dram is 3.7 ml in the US system of measurement or 3.5 ml in the UK system of measurement.
 
"Cheap" guns are cheap for a reason. They just won't stand up to the heavy use of shooting clay targets week after week, year in and year out. IMHO, new guns in the market that are cheap, just won't last. As stated above, look for a used Beretta or Browning that is in good working condition and doesn't need a lot of repairs in the near future. You might even find something that is the right length and has an adjustable comb and recoil pad already installed. Get your wife her own gun, because what fits her won't fit you. Gun fit is the best way to tame recoil. A well fitted custom stock is the best way to go, but that is expensive.
 
salter said:
After 70 years of being a Canuck, I have yet to see anything sold in DRAMS but just to make sure if I see something in the future do you mean drams in the avoirdupois measurement system which would be 1.77 grams or do you mean the apothecaries system in which case it would be 3.88 grams (this being equal to 3 scruples) or are you referring to fluid measurements in which case a dram is 3.7 ml in the US system of measurement or 3.5 ml in the UK system of measurement.
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I think what the spank meant was dram equivalent. In the old days, way before you were a Canuck. black powder loads were measured in drams of black powder. To be honest, I do not know which method you mention that they used to measure. When ammo started to be loaded with smokless powder some still wanted to know how powerfull the load was. That is when ammo manufacturers started to use Dram equivalent. At certain amount of black powder was used to propel a certain amount of shot and a certain velocity was expected. eg 3 drams of BP pushed 1 1/8 oz shot to 1200 fps and 2 3/4 drams pushed the same amount of shot at 1145 fps. Today any amount of smokless powder that can push 1 1/8 oz 1200 fps is refered to as 3 dram eq. load and a 2 3/4 dram eq load one can expect 1145 fps. Salter I know you probably know this. My post was just to clarify for the younger pups out there. It seems to be very confusing unless you have been brought up with dram equivalent. I think all one needs to know is amount of shot and velocity and some ammo manufacturers are doing just that.
 
I guess I am not most. The Superposed was the first new firearm that I bought for myself. I shot clay with it and have owned a couple since. While I agree it is a great old gun and a classic, I can not think of any way that is superior to the Japanese made Citori? A 30 inch bbl super choked the way a 30 inch super would be choked would not be of practical use to other than a trap shooter. That said, a Superposed in good condition should fetch in the $1000.00 range.
 
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