Looking for more velocity from my 6.5X55

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I've been working up loads for my new T3 lite using RL19 and a few using H4831 using Lapua brass (very nice stuff), CCI primers and 129gr Hornady IB's. I've had similar results regarding velocity between the 2 powders. I'm at 50gr of RL19 with a COL of 2.950" and my chronograph has me at around 2690 FPS on average. Below is a pic of my results from todays bench session, temp is around -4C. I've shot similar groups to the bottom right group with charges from 46 and up, but things seemed to tighten up nicely at 50gr. My velocities climbed normally as charge was increased. I'm looking for ideas on how I could squeeze out some more FPS's? Lengthen COL and add more powder or switch to a faster burning powder? Pressure seems fine @ 50gr with the 5 shots I fired today. Thanks,


 
I drive the 142gr matchking at 2750fps out of my T-3 Varmint Stainless, using R-22. That is measured at 15 degrees C, and it does fall off a bit when the temperature drops. I load to a COL of 3.10".
 
I am surprised that you are only getting 2690fps with 50grs of RE19 and 129gr bullets! I get right on an average of 2600fps with 129gr SP's and 45.5gr RE19, CCI200's and 2.925". Also a T3. 50gr of RE19 is pretty stout! (I found RE19 accuracy lacking until I tried shorter OAL's).

Are you sure that your Chrono is right?
 
Check your chrongraph with 22 rimfires as they tend to be pretty close to the advertised velocity in a rifle, the load seems stout enough to produce more velocity than our getting but then again some barrels are just slow.
 
OP, the twist rate on your T3 is 1-8. I use 48-50 grains of H4831 in mine but also use CCI 250 magnum primers. Yes, the load is stout but I am getting slighter higher velocities with 140 SSTs than you are getting with 129 grain bullets. My rifle is also a T3. I am lucky in that this rifle doesn't seem to mind which bullet weight it shoots. It shoots everything into consistent sub half to 3/4 moa groups or better. I use bullet weights from 95 to 160 grains. These days, mostly Hornady offerings. With H4831, which I use because I still have about a third of a 50 pound keg left from the mid seventies at less than a buck a pound, I found that there was no gain in accuracy or velocity that was recordable after 48 grains and more was a crushed charge. H4831 likes to be packed a bit but not a lot.

Ganderite, I am presently in the process of putting together a long range rifle on a Remington 700 action, with a Jewel 2oz trigger. It has a fluted, straight 1 1/4 in diameter stainless 30 in barrel installed with a 1-8 twist rate and 6.5x55 chamber. It's a Gaillard barrel that I picked up from him a few years ago.

Just out of curiosity, what loading range are you using with RL22??? I've only played with it slightly in my T3 but there hasn't been enough difference between it and H4831 in the shorter T3 barrel to make me want to switch. Accuracy was similar. I only have a couple of pounds of RL22 on hand at this point, but will try to search out more. Also, what twist rate did your barrel have??? A similar Model 70 I have with a sporting contour barrel and in 6.5-06 has a 1-9 1/4 twist in an unknown maker's barrel and it will just stabilize the Hornady 140 grain bullets at around 2800 fps. A few hundred fps slower and groups start to open dramatically at 300 yards. It shoots the lighter 90-129 grain bullets well at all ranges.

Any information you feel inclined to share will be appreciated.
 
That's a pretty stout load already. Determine the longest OAL your gun can accommodate, and work at OAL's close to that as stated, and use more of a slower powder.

I can get 2950 Fps with 140 gr AMAX's at an OAL of 3.200", with full cases of IMR7828 (51.0 grs) and Re25 (54.0 grs), so getting the same with a 129 gr should be easily doable.
 
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I am surprised that you are only getting 2690fps with 50grs of RE19 and 129gr bullets! I get right on an average of 2600fps with 129gr SP's and 45.5gr RE19, CCI200's and 2.925". Also a T3. 50gr of RE19 is pretty stout! (I found RE19 accuracy lacking until I tried shorter OAL's).

Are you sure that your Chrono is right?

Diminishing returns principal perhaps?
 
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I think I fit into the same slot as 'bearhunter' my gun seems to shoot 95gr Vmax's as well as 140 federal bear claws.
I'm running my 6.5x55's through a Winchester M70 featherweight classic with a 20" barrel.
 
Well thanks all for your feedback. I'm going to have a look at the chrony with another rifle - it's been a while since I have fired anything else over it. From what I have been reading I was thinking I would have been able to reach at least 2800 without too much troubles. Think the fact that it is a brand new barrel has anything to do with slower velocity?
 
Yes the fact that you have a new sako barrel it will be tight a first. Like maybe 40fps. Try increasing your COAL to 3.10 or 3.14. Slower powders are the key. The most accurate loads I try are around 2650fps. I also have a Tikka btw. Try some Remington large rifle primers. Yeah I know, it was all I could get a year ago, they tightened my groups. Try not to get to fixed on velocity. You are not under gunned. That big SD will get it done for you. On a side note just so you know had a buddy bring back some HSM 6.5x55 130gr Hunting VLD ammo. On the chrono they are 2940fps. On my caliper they are 3.015. Not that accurate, 1 inch a hundred. Would love to know the powder though. Feel free to PM me with any questions. Congrats on your new rfile
 
A little revival here for a slightly different question. I haven't had the chance to get back out to do any comparison on the chrony but I was doing some thinking. I believe I have found an accuracy node for my rifle using the 129gr IB's and 50gr or RL19. It would seem to me that accuracy will likely not improve a great deal from any increases in velocities I might be able to attain - is that a fair statement is #1? #2, is it probable there is another accuracy node at a higher velocity?? I'm feeling like answer to #2 is no just based on I'm already loading pretty stout at the moment. Anyway, thanks in advance for any wisdom you may have to offer.
 
I'll take accuracy over speed any day. The game that you are shooting at really won't be able to tell the difference between 2690 fps and 2900 fps.
 
Something seriously wrong with your numbers, possibly chronograph. I use a heavier bullet with the same amount of slower powder and get 200 fps more than you're posting !! With 50 gns of 19 that 129 should be doing 3K



And by the way there is usually an accurate node right at max pressure / max velocity when using the slowest powders for a given case size.
 
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