Looking for perfect 308 bullet and barrel combo

I agree that a 10t is fine for a multi purpose 308. But if your looking for the “perfect 308 bullet barrel combo” and you have chosen the 185 juggernauts….
I propose that all other things being equal, an 11 or 11.25t will out shoot a 10 with 185s.
How much is hard to say.

The only way a 1:11 or faster twist is going to shoot better then the 1:10 is if the 1:10 is damaging the projectile, which I highly doubt it would be.
 
The only way a 1:11 or faster twist is going to shoot better then the 1:10 is if the 1:10 is damaging the projectile, which I highly doubt it would be.

Care to elaborate?
With the 11”t the 185 is fully stable, and spinning less rpm.
I’m not sure why you think the 10”t will damage the bullet?
 
Care to elaborate?
With the 11”t the 185 is fully stable, and spinning less rpm.
I’m not sure why you think the 10”t will damage the bullet?

I don't think a 1:10 will.

But the only way that a 1:11+ twist would shoot better then a 1:10 would be if the 1:10 was damaging the bullet (either shredding/damaging the jacket or deforming the core). Otherwise, there is no advantage of the 1:11+ twist over a 1:10.
 
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
If I was building a rifle to shoot 185s it would have an 11”t.
I just finished a 308 build with a 10”t but it’s built to shoot 200s.
Joe
 
Even though I am set on 1:10 for the moment, I am genuinely intrigued by this debate.
I have seen 1:10s shoot 168 SMKs extremely accurately out to 500, and 168 is starting to get lightweight for a 30 cal class bullet.
 
Even though I am set on 1:10 for the moment, I am genuinely intrigued by this debate.
I have seen 1:10s shoot 168 SMKs extremely accurately out to 500, and 168 is starting to get lightweight for a 30 cal class bullet.

My .308 is in 1:10 and I primarily shot 168's and 175's through it. Zero issues, precision is great.

It's made by a gentleman who knows what he's doing, and has supplied rifles to over 800 alphabet agencies.
 
My .308 is in 1:10 and I primarily shot 168's and 175's through it. Zero issues, precision is great.

It's made by a gentleman who knows what he's doing, and has supplied rifles to over 800 alphabet agencies.

My Winchester match rifle has a 1:10 and Ed Begg used to shoot 185 Juggernauts and heavier out of it in FTR - and win.
Cat
 
Right now going through a sizeable downsize in my shooting stuff, fifth wheel was just signed for, I'll travel with the family instead of hogging all my personal time at the range.
I do want to keep an LR rifle and I'd like it to shoot 1/3-1/2 moa consistently.

Will be using a Manners PRS stock, NF ATACR, Origin action, and feed everything from the mag.
I wish for this rifle to be my main LR precision rifle, and do it all even though not perfect for all.
Petawawa 600M service rifle, Connaught 900M, private land 700M, local range 200M bench for tightest groups possible

For barrel profile, I'm looking at a 26'' with 0.920'' at muzzle, 3/4x24 threads with insite brake, 308, 1:10, 5R
For bullet I'd like to try 185 Juggernauts
Brass Lapua large primer with BR2, would consider going SR magnum primer if I can hide pressure better to get that 900M velocity
Powder Varget


In my given situation, would you change anything in barrel specs or bullet choice?
What would be a solid choice to shoot a 308 out to 900M?

In my past experiences, my 308s with 175s would perform solid out to 800M and start fussing around at 900M, hence why I had got into 6.5x47
If 308 turns out to perform poorly in a shorter 26'' (vs 30'' FTR) I'd probably stick with 6.5, but this would block my from Petawawa caliber restrictions.

My .308 loads and rifle are almost identical specs to yours listed. I shoot 185 JGN over varget fron lapua brass out of a 24" 10-twist barrel at 2550 fps and shoot out to 1000m with good success. That's a medium load in my rifle with no pressure signs. It is loaded long in my AI mag.
 
HANDS DOWNS THE BEST LOAD I HAVE EVER SEEN IN A 308 WIN WAS AT THE F CLASS CHAMPIONSHIPS IN OTTAWA 2017 SHOOTER FROM OTTAWA SHOT 49 B BULLS ONLY ONE OPEN C LASS SHOOTER SHOT ONE MORE V BULL WITH 50.
THERE WAS BRITS SHOOTING 155 GR AND OTHER SHOOTING 168 BERGERS,185 JUGGS,175 SIR,200 GR plus.
powers used VT 149,150,VARGET,H 4895 ETC.BYE FAR THE BEST WAS SHOOTING, BARTLIEN 11.5/TWIST 31 INCH, LAPUA PALMA BRASS. VARGET,GM FEDERAL BERGER BULLETS.
I FIRED HIS GUNS AT 100 Y OFF BENCH 3 SHOT GROUP MEASURED .121 INCH YES .121
 
My .308 loads and rifle are almost identical specs to yours listed. I shoot 185 JGN over varget fron lapua brass out of a 24" 10-twist barrel at 2550 fps and shoot out to 1000m with good success. That's a medium load in my rifle with no pressure signs. It is loaded long in my AI mag.

Doing a quick and dirty strelok check, 850M would be the distance the bullet drops below 1300fps.
Which in my experience, is the threshold which SMK #### the bed.
You are surely going transonic at this point to 1000M?

Manitou, what was the final best combo at your 2017 nationals I’m not sure I quite got it?


Fifth wheel purchased with over 50% down payment, decided I’d stop thinning the precision rifles I wish to keep.
The 6.5 vs 308 debate was weighing too heavily in my brain.

Keeping my origin/manners/atacr setup in 6.5x47 for the 200m to 900-1000M shots
Keeping my custom savage/mcmillan/NX8-32x in 308 for anything from 200M to 800M

I’ll still rebarrel that 308 to start it off fresh for my 185 Bergers (or other bullet for all that matters)
Still wish to find a bullet/barrel combo thats really accurate and out to 900M
 
doing a quick and dirty strelok check, 850m would be the distance the bullet drops below 1300fps.
Which in my experience, is the threshold which smk #### the bed.
You are surely going transonic at this point to 1000m?

Manitou, what was the final best combo at your 2017 nationals i’m not sure i quite got it?


Fifth wheel purchased with over 50% down payment, decided i’d stop thinning the precision rifles i wish to keep.
The 6.5 vs 308 debate was weighing too heavily in my brain.

Keeping my origin/manners/atacr setup in 6.5x47 for the 200m to 900-1000m shots
keeping my custom savage/mcmillan/nx8-32x in 308 for anything from 200m to 800m

i’ll still rebarrel that 308 to start it off fresh for my 185 bergers (or other bullet for all that matters)
still wish to find a bullet/barrel combo thats really accurate and out to 900m

over250 shooters was the best load on the range, hey shot a 13 v of 15 at 800
 
Just got a few boxes of 185 Hybrids for testing
They have a better BC than the jauggernauts
I have a feeling they will make it to 900M nicely
 
Thanks all for the feedback!

Jerry, I had a screaming deal for many boxes of berger 185s from a local.
How will the M852 reamer react to 185s?
I’d want at least 2/3s of the neck engaged on the bullets bearing surface.
I will buy the barrel from you by the way :cheers:

Btw I am not firm on the Berger 185s I could always flip them.

If you don't end up using the 185s and want to pass on that screaming deal, please PM me.
 
Doing a quick and dirty strelok check, 850M would be the distance the bullet drops below 1300fps.
Which in my experience, is the threshold which SMK #### the bed.
You are surely going transonic at this point to 1000M?

Manitou, what was the final best combo at your 2017 nationals I’m not sure I quite got it?


Fifth wheel purchased with over 50% down payment, decided I’d stop thinning the precision rifles I wish to keep.
The 6.5 vs 308 debate was weighing too heavily in my brain.

Keeping my origin/manners/atacr setup in 6.5x47 for the 200m to 900-1000M shots
Keeping my custom savage/mcmillan/NX8-32x in 308 for anything from 200M to 800M

I’ll still rebarrel that 308 to start it off fresh for my 185 Bergers (or other bullet for all that matters)
Still wish to find a bullet/barrel combo thats really accurate and out to 900M

With my specific inputs in Strelok, it's 1320 fps at 1000 yards. Sorry, got my units mixed up.
 
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