looking for pics or info on magazine box of model 70 Pre-64 magnums

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I was wondering if somebody has and could post some picks of the magazine box from the top and bottom of their m70 pre-64? I'm specifically looking for a .264 Winchester magnum picture but a 338 win mag or 300 win mag would help too. Even a 300 H&H picture may help.

I have a .264 in serial range 538###, It looks like the magazine box was opened up in the front of the box and some material from the receiver to accommodate a longer cartridge. I don't know if this was factory or if someone has modified it at some point. I only have my .270 ser 565### pre-64 to compare it with and things are obviously different between the two. The rear bridge of the receiver has the normal hole spacing for scope bases and the bolt is a magnum bolt face and is wearing an original .264 barrel (not a replacement).

I can't post pics right now, my camera has been pulling fits and I can't get it to co-operate with me. Any help or advice is appreciated and I'll try to answer any questions.

thanks, Joel
 
The correct box for a 264 will be the same internal length as the one from your 270 but will have only one rib rather than three.
 
Thanks for the info. Where was the length difference made up on the long magnum H&H magazine boxes? Was it at the front or rear of the box?

Joel
 
The Holland and Holland pre-64 model 70 actions were standard length, the trimming took place both at the front and the rear of the action. I own both the 300 and 375..... :)
 
Thanks! Would you be able to post some pics of the inside of the box, the trimming of the H&H length actions and the magnum bolt face? It would help me out greatly so I could possibly figure out what the story is on this rifle. Also, is the rear scope base holes closer together than the standard length actions? I've never seen one so I'm not sure what the spacing is.

What I'm thinking is that the rifle was a 300H&H action and was mated to a original .264 barrel and is now a hybrid of the two. The magazine will fit a .300Wby mag cartridge with slight room to spare as I have physically tried it.

Thanks a ton. Joel
 
jsmurd said:
The Holland and Holland pre-64 model 70 actions were standard length, the trimming took place both at the front and the rear of the action. I own both the 300 and 375..... :)
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On the rear bridge yes.

On the underside and magazine box (what the original post is asking), no. You can't open a model 70 to the rear without running into the middle guard screw.
 
leojlafrog said:
Thanks! Would you be able to post some pics of the inside of the box, the trimming of the H&H length actions and the magnum bolt face? It would help me out greatly so I could possibly figure out what the story is on this rifle. Also, is the rear scope base holes closer together than the standard length actions? I've never seen one so I'm not sure what the spacing is.

What I'm thinking is that the rifle was a 300H&H action and was mated to a original .264 barrel and is now a hybrid of the two. The magazine will fit a .300Wby mag cartridge with slight room to spare as I have physically tried it.

Thanks a ton. Joel
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The surest way to ID an original short magnum pre 64 action is that it will have .458 stamped on the bottom of the recoil lug.

Without pulling it out of the stock, it should have the same length rear bridge and the same scope base spacing as your 270

Looking at the rear bridge from the muzzle end, there will be an angled flute cut at the 10:00 position which your 270 and H&H action will not have.
 
Ok, thanks for the info. With that info, it is definitely a short mag action. I've got the angled flute cut and I haven't sighted it in yet so I yanked it out of the stock. It has the "458" stamping on the front recoil lug. I don't know how many hands this rifles has passed through but someone along the line has opened up the mag box to fit longer seated bullets and removed some material from the feed ramp for the longer COAL rounds.

Poop. Not what what I was hoping for but it will work for now. I'm going to keep my eye open for a untampered with "short magnum" action and maybe bring this one back to original shape. I am not worried of collector value, more so for sentimental reasons as it was one of my grandfathers rifles.

Thanks for the help. Joel
 
Any idea what the purpose of the angled flute at the 10 o'clock position on the rear bridge was? Would it be just as practical to use a standard action rather than hunting for a "short magnum" action if I was wanting to return my rifle to as original as possible?

Joel
 
Well,that is indeed interesting. I just took my African {serial 401231 ) out of the gun safe for a look. Nowhere do I see an angle flute on the rear recever no matter how you look at it. Hmmm.
 
jsmurd said:
Well,that is indeed interesting. I just took my African {serial 401231 ) out of the gun safe for a look. Nowhere do I see an angle flute on the rear recever no matter how you look at it. Hmmm.
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Here's a pic

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Maybe 'flute' is the wrong term, but the inside corner is cut out, I assume to facilate ejection
 
Rear hole spacing should be .440 " on the .300 H+H as well some were tapped with one hole and others no rear holes.Numirich Gun Parts in the States has pre 64 parts and ships up to $200 worth to Canada........Harold
 
At the risk of hijacking this thread I have a related question about Model 70 actions. I just ordered a Model 70 Alaskan in 375 H&H. I had the salesman measure the opening of the receiver and it measured 3 1/8". Conversely I had previously measured the Safari Express action at a local shop and it measured 3 3/8". I see in a previous post on this thread that pre 64 M70's chambered in 375 H&H were built on standard length actions (I'm guessing 3 1/8"). Is this adequate? Seems like a short space to maneuver such a long cartridge. If it is long enough, why then would the Safari Express be built longer? Can I expect the .375 H&H to feed as smoothly as my .30-06 pre 64?

To confuse the situation even more, the tech guys at FN told me on the phone that the Alaskan in 375 H&H had the same action as the Safari Express...

IH
 
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