looking for some advise p320 x5 or xcaliber

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I am in the market for a new pistol and have narrowed it down to 2 guns a sig p320 or a grand power xcaliber. I am looking for any negatives about either as I am a little but love struck by both. I know the p320 comes with 4 mags but it is $150.00 more then the xtreme so I call that a wash. please help I can't decide and really want a new toy.
 
I have the SIG X Five.

The X Five is the Competition designed model of the SiIG 320 Series for Action Shooting IDPA, IPSC PPC, 3 Gun etc. It comes ready to play with a Dawson Precision FO front sight and an adjustable Dawson rear. The sights are excellent. It has a bull barrel and a weighted grip. Both balance the pistol well and the added weight makes the gun shoot flatter with very manageable felt recoil. The trigger is excellent with no over travel. I have not measured the pull weight but it feels like it is around five lbs. and I expect it to decline with use.

The big advantage of this gun is it will benefit from the US Army contract in that the 320 series will be supported in every way by the aftermarket makers of sights, triggers and other addons we seem to think are necessary. Due to the 320 series molecularity the gun becomes a tinker toy. You can buy conversion kits for other calibers, grip sizes, barrel lengths etc simply by removing the trigger group and installing it on other frames. The trigger group is the gun as you likely know from reading.

Accuracy wise the gun shoots as well as any gun I own.

I like the grip. I think I prefer the grip on my PPQ's but grip feel is an individual thing. Handle one in the store and you will know if you like it or not. Notwithstanding my preference I love the gun and will use it on IDPA SSP Division and by using other modules in that sports CCP and ESP Divisions.

I don't see a downside to the gun. SIG makes great pistols the the X Five is just another well designed, well made pistol from a company that has an excellent reputation. IMHO the SIG X Five and the PPQ Match are at the head of the class in striker fired polymer pistols. Whether that translates to better scores for the shooter is up to the ability of the shooter. What ever your scores it won't be because the X Five was not up to the task.

Who supports the Grand Power XCaliber? I have no experience with that gun, nor have I seen it at any IDPA matches I have shot. I have not shot any amount of IPSC matches in the past four years so I cannot comment if guys are using the gun there.

The price difference is a cannard. Hell you will spend more money on ammo in a year or two than the gun costs if you are active at all.

Take Care

Bob
 
I have over 3K rounds thru my P320 and I have yet to clean it. Its been thru a few classes. Ive gotten a couple of FTF but it was a mag issue. At 40$ a pop it kind of sucks.;)

The Apex trigger bar and Apex trigger is a must if you plan to shoot it alot. The factory trigger blows.
 
Like Dilligaf, just over 3k rounds through my P320 X5 since picking it up earlier this spring. It has now become by go-to pistol for IPSC and has been flawless in operation, so far. I did add an RDS (plug-n-play Romeo1) which is a nice option, mainly as my eyesight is far from what it used to be, and that combo has worked out great as well. Canuck44 covered the gist of the good stuff, but I will respectfully disagree with the "excellent" trigger rating, IMO it simply is not; while it's not overly heavy and mine has smoothed out some with use, it's still too mushy with a far from clean break, again IMHO. I just wish we could access GG parts as they have a nice trigger upgrade kit that I've read nothing but good reviews on from U.S. owners/competitors. Best of luck with the decision, the hunt is half the fun lol.

As for accuracy, I'm more than satisfied with that aspect:

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Between the 2, the P320 wins... in any form.

Listen to the 3 guys above, they’ve had tons of trigger time on the SIG platform and know what they’re talking about. If you can afford the $150 difference, I would get a SIG anytime!
Except DILLI, I just wish he would clean his guns and mags a bit more! You should see how he abuses his guns! LOL!
 
my father in law has a 320 so I was looking for a little one up manship with something completely different but the x5 seems like the way to go. thanks for the help
 
BillD - It is my understanding Grey Guns designed the trigger for the X Five. It is their trigger. If you own a standard 320 and install the GG trigger kit you will have a trigger similar, if not the same as the trigger you get with the X Five. I did watch a video where the guy spent over $300US on the GG Competition Trigger Kit. He claimed a significant improvement. From what I could see the improvement seemed to very proportionally to the amount of money he spent on the kit. Just saying.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
BillD - It is my understanding Grey Guns designed the trigger for the X Five. It is their trigger. If you own a standard 320 and install the GG trigger kit you will have a trigger similar, if not the same as the trigger you get with the X Five. I did watch a video where the guy spent over $300US on the GG Competition Trigger Kit. He claimed a significant improvement. From what I could see the improvement seemed to very proportionally to the amount of money he spent on the kit. Just saying.

Take Care

Bob
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Bruce Grey helped in the design, but as he's mentioned himself on US forums, the differences are minor and not the same as the kits he offers, other than the actual flat trigger itself (which he may have changed recently too for his kits I think I read somewhere). It's not a terrible trigger, but it's no P210 or P226 X5 trigger or even a decent 1911 - those I would call excellent in comparison. Heck even my P226 Combat (my previous go-to competition pistol) with SRT is far better IMO. The P320 X5 trigger feels no different than my ex FS P320, but then this is my only striker fired pistol currently, so I'm probably spoiled there comparing it to my other pistols lol. P.S. On a related note though, did get a chance to try a CANIK TP9SF, and now that was a nice striker fired trigger!
 
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The Canick is a copy of the PPQ.

Does the X Five module you bought come with the tungsten weight in the grip?

Take Care

Bob
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Have never had the opportunity to try a PPQ; so many pistol, so little time...and money lol. Yes mine came with weighted grip, didn't know there was a version that ships without it? Unless the X grip sold separately by Sig comes minus the weight?
 
That mushy feeling you get with some striker fired guns is due to the fact the striker is not fully set when the slide is racked. The PPQ and XD Series fully sets the striker. You don't get that, I'll call it "springy" feeling when pulling the trigger. I will add I have never felt the "mushy" or "springy" feeling when shooting my M&P or X Five when shooting a stage. I do when sitting in front of the TV dry firing which is why I regard the "mushy" feeling to be a bit of a canard. I should add part of the mushy feeling with the M&P comes from the trigger bar pushing the striker block out of the way. The feeling is almost entirely done away with when you install an Apex kit. The striker block in the Apex kit is domed far more than the stock block which reduces the effect of the trigger bar pushing the block out of the way.

Of my three favourite striker fired pistols. The quickest reset and nicest trigger pull by far is the PPQ, followed by the M&P with the Apex Competition Kit then the stock SIG X Five. All are very good compared to the stock Glock or M&P FS. I have not shot a stock 320. I would even suggest the PPQ trigger break is as good as a lot of 1911's. Accuracy wise they certainly are the equal. If you buy a striker fired pistol that does not fully set the striker you are going to feel the striker being fully set aka the mushy or springy feeling. Some of the strikers fully set the striker eg. PPQ adn the XD series from Springfield. In those two pistols the break is clean.

I don't like the comparison though. Comparing striker fired guns to DA/SA hammer designs to SA designs is apples to oranges. I have the SRT installed on my Mke 25 Sig. The DA pull is still long and heavy and the reset is not as fast as the PPQ. Different design...

All of the guns mentioned do what they are designed to do. For 99% of shooters I doubt it makes much difference. We have a shooter from Kitimat who uses a stock Norinco .45acp 1911 with stock sights and trigger who does extremely well with the gun. Go figure.

What else would you expect Bruce Grey to say. He sells his kits to guys who buy the X Five. :>)

Take Care

Bob
 
I have an X Calibur that I bought in January and have shot well over 5000 rounds through. I just shot my last IPSC match with it yesterday. I’m switching back to CZ next year.

It’s easy to shoot fast with. The reset is amazing. It’s very soft shooting. I can shoot it quickly and accurately. The autoforwarding is a nice feature and it looks cool.

This being said, the reliability is just not there. It doesn’t like any 147 grain bullet I’ve tried, constantly failing to go into battery. If the barrel gets dirty the slide will quite literally lock up. You have to push it hard against a table or something to unlock it. And it’s not like it’s consistently after 1000 rounds after a cleaning, it could be 800, it could be less than 100. What other semi auto pistol design can even let that happen? It also feels kind of cheap and plasticy for the price, especially the DA pull feels weirdly plasticy, almost like the hammer is hitting on a piece of plastic and putting a dent into it. When I got it it was hitting consistently at least a foot left. Multiple people and benching the gun confirmed this. Luckily it has an adjustable rear sight but still the rear sight is way over now and it looks weird. Don’t they test these things from the factory? It is also not IDPA legal because of the conical barrel.

I had high hopes for the X Cal and it failed miserably from Day 1. I have no experience with the P320 but it can’t be any worse than the X Cal. You should consider a CZ as well like a Shadow 2 or any original Shadow model or higher.
 
The 320 X Five is nothing like the X Caliber you have. It sounds like you have a pistol that should have gone back to SIG. I can't imagine the X Caliber would stay on the market if your experience was consistent with the total production of that pistol.

Take Care

Bob
 
Sure, mine might have been an extreme case, and I should have sent it back sooner rather than trying to work through the issues so close to the competition season, but at the same time I have spoken to others, some of whom were even former Grand Power sponsored shooters (so they say) who said they have had issues with the guns and with Grand Power Canada as well. They don’t take criticism very well and if my gun was such an extreme case you’d think they’d want to see the gun immediately rather than basically blame me for not cleaning it well enough. They also seem to like to keep things very hush hush.

So yes, they’re probably not all as bad as mine but you don’t exactly see them flying off the shelves like Shadow 2s do either. You don’t see very many reviews about them.
 
Billd, I have a Canik TPSFx just to try out, as I had a extra vortex red dot, It is the only stricker fired pistol I have ever shot, as a old 1911 guy, felt strange to me, but I don't shoot formal matches, so have not put many rounds through it, but don't think this would compare to a hi end sig?
If I settled down and put a few boxes of ammo through it , I would get use to that trigger, and gun maybe.
 
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