Looking For Suggestions for 1000 yd hunting Gun

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stubblejumper said:
If only it was that simple. The reality is that the group at 1000 yards is likely to be more like 20 or 30 times the size of the 100 yard group.
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Not true at all, assuming the shooter does his/her part the group will be around 10 times the size at 1000 yards as it will be at 100.

Of course the shooter would need to understand bullet drop and how different temperatures, elevations, humidities, wind drift, flight delay,etc. affect the bullet at extended ranges.

It is because of the reasons mentioned above I've decided to not shoot an animal over 300 yards away (flight delay being the largest concern, I can dial)

Jack
 
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stubblejumper said:
If only it was that simple. The reality is that the group at 1000 yards is likely to be more like 20 or 30 times the size of the 100 yard group.
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You beat me to it... 1 MOA at 100 yards does NOT mean 1 MOA at 1000 yards, but likely many time more.
 
youthshooter said:
Not true at all, assuming the shooter does his/her part the group will be around 10 times the size at 1000 yards as it will be at 100.

Of course the shooter would need to understand bullet drop and how different temperatures, elevations, humidities, wind drift, flight delay,etc. affect the bullet at extended ranges, but from a pure shooting sense there is zero difference between shooting at 100 and 1000 yards.

It is because of the reasons mentioned above I've decided to not shoot an animal over 300 yards away (flight delay being the largest concern, I can dial)

Jack
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Jack, the only person that would make the above statement has NEVER shot at 1000 yards... And don't try to make us believe that you have. Every long range shooter can see right through your basic physics assertions.
 
BigUglyMan said:
Hey OP, do you feel welcome yet?

No wonder the antis have such an easy time playing "divide and conqueor" with us.
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Divide and Conquer is definitely an "Anti" tactic... Even more damning to our shooting sports cause are unethical choices made by participants of the sport... Like, for example, shooting game animals at 1000 yards.
 
hoytcanon said:
Divide and Conquer is definitely an "Anti" tactic... Even more damning to our shooting sports cause are unethical choices made by participants of the sport... Like, for example, shooting game animals at 1000 yards.
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This is so true! It gets very tiresome to hear that we must all accept the practices and preachings of anyone else who happens to own a gun, just to maintain a united front. As long as it's legal it's OK, right? WRONG. Minor differences of opinion aside, blatant disregard for the animals we hunt as exemplified by this practice is NOT ACCEPTABLE to many of us, and neither should it be. I don't care about the legality of it...it is morally and ethically wrong by the standards of most hunters, and if they are to be honest with themselves they must condemn it.




youthshooter said:
... assuming the shooter does his/her part the group will be around 10 times the size at 1000 yards as it will be at 100....but from a pure shooting sense there is zero difference between shooting at 100 and 1000 yards.
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Absolutely one of the most ridiculous statements made here. This might be true mathematically, but it certainly is not reality.
 
jjohnwm said:
Absolutely one of the most ridiculous statements made here. This might be true mathematically, but it certainly is not reality.
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I should have re-phrased that. In theory that is true.

Again, this is in theory, there are FEW shooters I know who are capable of doing that.
 
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hoytcanon said:
Jack, the only person that would make the above statement has NEVER shot at 1000 yards... And don't try to make us believe that you have. Every long range shooter can see right through your basic physics assertions.
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1000 yards? No, However I do have some experiences at extended ranges (600-700 yards). I do however learn from people who have probably forgotten more about LR shooting than I for one will ever know, so naturally I take their word as fact.

Since you seem to be quite knowledgeable in this area please explain how I'm wrong, PM me if you wish, I'm always willing to learn from credible sources.

Jack
 
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Personally I don 't care how far anyone takes game as long as they practice and are confident. My only thought when I read the op's guestion is that if you have to ask then maybe you shouldn't.
 
youthshooter said:
1000 yards? No, However I do have some experiences at extended ranges (600-700 yards). I do however learn from people who have probably forgotten more about LR shooting than I for one will ever know, so naturally I take their word as fact.

Since you seem to be quite knowledgeable in this area please explain how I'm wrong, PM me if you wish, I'm always willing to learn from credible sources.

Jack
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You're assuming that everything that affects accuracy is linear. In actuality some things are logarithmic. One example is wind. a 5mph crosswind over a consistant distance of travel is going to have a different effect on two identical bullets if their speed is different.

i.e. If there is a consistant 5mph crosswind the bullet will move MORE than 10X the distance in the final 100M of a 1,000M flight than in the first 100M strictly because bullet speed has dropped so much and it is taking the bullet longer to traverse the final 100M than the first 100M.

Another example would be when have you ever seen a straight line graph on bullet performance? It is always curved.
 
youthshooter said:
1000 yards? No, However I do have some experiences at extended ranges (600-700 yards). I do however learn from people who have probably forgotten more about LR shooting than I for one will ever know, so naturally I take their word as fact.

Since you seem to be quite knowledgeable in this area please explain how I'm wrong, PM me if you wish, I'm always willing to learn from credible sources.

Jack
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I will echo what Pootle said and add that there are MANY non-linear factors at play when shooting distance increases... your thinking is "logical," it is also incorrect. Other changing factors are bullet stability as velocity decreases, varying resistance to lateral stimuli, such as gravity, wind, and shooter error (all of which are not constant due to decreasing velocity and stability)... test this for yourself by pushing your shooting (safely at targets) to further distances... many new long range shooters are humbled by the realities at play. Good shooting.
 
Still lookin for suitable long range rigs it appears!

No matter for me, I couldn't hit a bull's ass with a banjo. :redface:


two-dogs said:
no, sorry BUM! nobody said real bad curse words or bad s-h-I-t-e, yet! so it's still a go...................
I just got back from the basement Bar with rum glass in hand, what is the topic here?
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hoytcanon said:
Get a 7mm, or .30 cal of your choice... Even a lowly .30/30... When you see the elk at 1100 yards... Stalk 1000 yards closer and then shoot it. If you are shooting at big game animals at 1000 yards, they should revoke your hunting licence.

The preceding is entirely my opinion.
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Mine, too! You took the words right out of my mouth.
 
philthygeezer said:
At 1 km I don't think it qualifies as hunting any more.

I did a poll on here a ways back and 95% of all shots were under 200 yards. Lots of respondents. I should have asked to sticky it. Mods: any way to retrieve that thread?
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I read an article many years ago based on a survey done by Bush Cops in one of the western states. They stopped hunters and got info about what killed, what range and what cartridge used. I recall the statistic given that 93% of all game recorded in the survey was taken at under 100 yards. Also, it was an old article, but the rifles used were things like 30-30, 30-06, .300 Savage, 257 Roberts, etc. I guess game animals are a lot tougher these days since we wouldn't consider using such peashooters.
 
hoytcanon said:
Hey Two Dogs... you're a real knob and dufous! ;)

There ya' go BUM, that otta do it... :)
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yeah, I can remember many a wake up earlier mornings in a dazz when a big chick beside me was mumbling something like "wow, what a real knob" but I didn't know wtf she meant! But Thx Bud, now I know! No wonder she had a hard time walking me to the door to say "bye BIG guy"!
 
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