Looking for the best Chronograph
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The new Steiner Sensing Systems Superchrono is awsome. Place in front of you, aim at at target and fire. Tested one a few weeks ago and I'm sold. Calgary Shooting Centre has them.
http://www.steinertsensingsystems.com/convincing-test-at-the-national-proofhouse-in-italy/
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I'd like one that will work for pistols as well..the wait is on
^this!
Get a LabRadar. CED is a pain to set up, Magnetospeed re-tunes your load and changes the point of aim on some barrels. Might not short barrels or truck axels, but it re-tuned loads on all of my barrels (M24s from 25-28") and all of my partner's barrels (Heavy Palma 27-28").
With LabRadar, you can chrono all of your shots if you want without cumbersome set-up or it affecting your load.
With LabRadar, you can chrono all of your shots if you want without cumbersome set-up or it affecting your load.
Occassionally(SM) kombayotch's comments are wise and we only would like to know if he can advise on availability of the new wonder unit? We have a bunch on order but have heard nothing for months.
Technically, this is radar and the best chrono is Kurzzeit.
Regards,
Peter
Technically, this is radar and the best chrono is Kurzzeit.
Regards,
Peter
I believe the Oehler 35P is unique in that it is two chronographs in one... each shot is measured twice...
The PROOF CHANNEL uses three skyscreens and two timers to make two velocity measurements on each shot. The Model 35 measures two velocities on each shot, it automatically compares the two readings, and it waves a flag if they don't agree within reasonable limits.
If you haven't used a chronograph before, the PROOF CHANNEL sounds unnecessary. If you have used a chronograph, you've certainly questioned some readings. Glaring high or low readings are easy to discard, but readings within five or ten percent of expected velocity are not easy to confirm or deny. The important question is, "Do I have reason to be concerned about my load, or did the chronograph make an error?" The PROOF CHANNEL tells you immediately if the chronograph reading is suspect. You can trust a friend who honestly says, "Oops, I might have goofed on that one."
The PROOF CHANNEL is like comparing your checkbook balance to the bank's balance. If the balances agree, they are right. If they differ by a few pennies, you assume the bank is correct and accept their balance. If there's a large difference, you don't trust either balance until you find the reason for the problem.
Most skyscreens will function under perfect light conditions, but they all fail under bad conditions. You expect skyscreens to fail when it gets dark, but there's a huge twilight zone between perfect conditions and obvious dark. It is better to have no chronograph reading at all than to believe an incorrect reading. With Oehler's PROOF CHANNEL you get positive assurance that your readings are correct, and the quality of your loads will reflect that assurance.
an interesting concept that has been very popular. Not cheap but not really expensive either. I really like mine.
http://www.oehler-research.com/model35.html
The PROOF CHANNEL uses three skyscreens and two timers to make two velocity measurements on each shot. The Model 35 measures two velocities on each shot, it automatically compares the two readings, and it waves a flag if they don't agree within reasonable limits.
If you haven't used a chronograph before, the PROOF CHANNEL sounds unnecessary. If you have used a chronograph, you've certainly questioned some readings. Glaring high or low readings are easy to discard, but readings within five or ten percent of expected velocity are not easy to confirm or deny. The important question is, "Do I have reason to be concerned about my load, or did the chronograph make an error?" The PROOF CHANNEL tells you immediately if the chronograph reading is suspect. You can trust a friend who honestly says, "Oops, I might have goofed on that one."
The PROOF CHANNEL is like comparing your checkbook balance to the bank's balance. If the balances agree, they are right. If they differ by a few pennies, you assume the bank is correct and accept their balance. If there's a large difference, you don't trust either balance until you find the reason for the problem.
Most skyscreens will function under perfect light conditions, but they all fail under bad conditions. You expect skyscreens to fail when it gets dark, but there's a huge twilight zone between perfect conditions and obvious dark. It is better to have no chronograph reading at all than to believe an incorrect reading. With Oehler's PROOF CHANNEL you get positive assurance that your readings are correct, and the quality of your loads will reflect that assurance.
an interesting concept that has been very popular. Not cheap but not really expensive either. I really like mine.
http://www.oehler-research.com/model35.html
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No idea when the LabRadar will be available. They say in the fall. Personally, I'd rather wait for it, spend the additional $200 on it over the MS, and be able to chrono my shots during load development. I also like to chrono my shots while getting my come-ups for truing my ballistics calculators. Having the velocities of the actual shots is better than using a velocity that was recorded at the beginning, IMO.
Bryan Litz recently released a comprehensive review of many/most of the chronographs out there. It was done prior to him getting the LR, but has most other chronos:
http://appliedballisticsllc.com/Articles/ChronographChapter.pdf
Bryan Litz recently released a comprehensive review of many/most of the chronographs out there. It was done prior to him getting the LR, but has most other chronos:
http://appliedballisticsllc.com/Articles/ChronographChapter.pdf
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First they said the LabRadar would be available in the fall of 2014 then it was early 2015 and now they claim the fall of 2015 LOL don't hold your breath. Sort of makes me wonder why all the delays could it be that they are having major problems with these units?
Bryan Litz recently released a comprehensive review of many/most of the chronographs out there. It was done prior to him getting the LR, but has most other chronos:
http://appliedballisticsllc.com/Arti...aphChapter.pdf
Interesting read ... he states:
"This indoor 12 foot Oehler with artificial lighting is the most accurate chronograph I have and is what the others are measured by..."
http://appliedballisticsllc.com/Arti...aphChapter.pdf
Interesting read ... he states:
"This indoor 12 foot Oehler with artificial lighting is the most accurate chronograph I have and is what the others are measured by..."
LabRadars have been released in small numbers already. Used a buddy's a couple months ago.
We had mixed results but in fairness we were rushed and probably missed something in the set-up of the unit.
Had a Steinert Supechrono briefly. The concept is awesome but the unit itself created more questions than it answered. A consistent set-up routine is critical to getting trustworthy data from it. Found it way too fussy to be reliable YMMV.
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We had mixed results but in fairness we were rushed and probably missed something in the set-up of the unit.
Had a Steinert Supechrono briefly. The concept is awesome but the unit itself created more questions than it answered. A consistent set-up routine is critical to getting trustworthy data from it. Found it way too fussy to be reliable YMMV.
I would be careful using a radar close to the ground when shooting prone. The radar beam would illuminate the ground and cause multi-path reflections, which could severely affect measurements accuracy. That's a problem inherent to radars in general and something to be aware of.
Can someone enlighten me why one would need a chronograph for the load development phase?
Just do a ladder test, find the nodes, make up loads to test and pick the most accurate of the bunch. Then haul out the chronograph and measure that loads velocity, enter all data into ballistics program, make drop and wind charts, done.
Oh and another vote for the magneto speed.
Just do a ladder test, find the nodes, make up loads to test and pick the most accurate of the bunch. Then haul out the chronograph and measure that loads velocity, enter all data into ballistics program, make drop and wind charts, done.
Oh and another vote for the magneto speed.
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