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I’m looking to pass along some of my milsurp stuff, I’m hoping you folks could give me the rough price spread these days for a non numbers matching unit.
Thanks for looking!
Thanks for looking!
Looking for your thoughts on this k98?
- Thread starter In The Black
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Thanks for the reply. Seems cheap in a world of 4-500$ sks.
What you have there is a 1943 Mauser K98 made by Steyr that was left/captured by the Norwegians. The Norwegian rifles, excepting the Marine/Navy rifles were converted to 30-06. (Kongelig Norsk Sjøforsvar) for Navy and (Kongelig Norsk Marine) for Marine. Your rifle is one of the hard to find marine/navy rifles untouched by the Norwegians in 8mm. It is a Marine rifle. Norway just marked the receiver KNM and added their rack, inventory or ID number. No alterations were done to these rifles. If the serial numbers on the parts match, it should fetch $2000.- optimistically. Non-matching, given the rare history $1200-$1400.-.
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I agree with Rooster for the most part. That 1200-1400 range is pretty fair. Your rifle being made in 1943 has the incorrect stock on it. Early on, from about 1936 to 1940 the Germans used stocks with flat butt plates like yours has. At some point in 1940, they switched to the cupped style of butt plates which is more synonymous with the "classic" K98 look. The reason for this switch was that during the early campaigns of Poland and France, the heels of the rifles were cracking once the rifle was used as a hand to hand weapon or thrown around a little. Its also missing the sight hood, which aren't too hard to find, but would make yours more period correct. All in all, its a nice rifle, and being in 8mm makes it more desirable as a collector, but not as a shooter since 8mm is getting expensive and hard to find. Unfortunately, in its current state, the rife itself is more of a shooter. I hope this helps, these rifles have more quirks and details then i do knowledge but its a start.
Mitchel's Mausers
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Not to my knowledge. I thought force matching the numbers, bolt polishing and rebluing was his thing. I don’t see the birds on the wood either, which would be an easy add.
Any other tell tale signs to look for?
I have a number of other mil rifles to part with, all collected in the early 20teens.
Any other tell tale signs to look for?
I have a number of other mil rifles to part with, all collected in the early 20teens.
Eaglelord17
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MM didn’t mess with Norwegian firearms as far as I am aware.
As to the stock being ‘incorrect’ that maybe the case for a German K98k, but this is a Norwegian K98k now. If the serial number matches it is now the correct stock.
As to the stock being ‘incorrect’ that maybe the case for a German K98k, but this is a Norwegian K98k now. If the serial number matches it is now the correct stock.
Looks good, list it stupid high, $2500.
Russia scrubs are like $1200 now, don't be shy, people (maybe not on here) will pay.
It's rarish, unless you are busting for cash hold out and get the premium.
Throw it on auctions with a $2500 reserve, see what happens.
Honestly I see crap sell for way more, don't rush and you will get $$.
I see M1917's selling for $2000 on auctions, it's mental. Garands $3000. I've got a few of each I paid $200 for and I dunno, the profit is tempting, but you ain't ever going to get another for whatever you paid, so it's a gamble, hang on or flog it for market price. I think we haven't hit the ceiling yet, and there ain't any more coming in. Even if they do, the floor price is already absurd.
Russia scrubs are like $1200 now, don't be shy, people (maybe not on here) will pay.
It's rarish, unless you are busting for cash hold out and get the premium.
Throw it on auctions with a $2500 reserve, see what happens.
Honestly I see crap sell for way more, don't rush and you will get $$.
I see M1917's selling for $2000 on auctions, it's mental. Garands $3000. I've got a few of each I paid $200 for and I dunno, the profit is tempting, but you ain't ever going to get another for whatever you paid, so it's a gamble, hang on or flog it for market price. I think we haven't hit the ceiling yet, and there ain't any more coming in. Even if they do, the floor price is already absurd.
Coyote Ugly
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Your Norwegian K98 is interesting as it looks like it may still be in 8mm as it has
not been milled out on the receiver by the 43 date to accommodate
the longer .30-06 cartridges on the conversion.
Your K98 just might be more desirable this way and worth more.
Research it some more as there are lots of lurking low ballers and lots of people
who don’t know the difference between a Mauser and a Mouser!
not been milled out on the receiver by the 43 date to accommodate
the longer .30-06 cartridges on the conversion.
Your K98 just might be more desirable this way and worth more.
Research it some more as there are lots of lurking low ballers and lots of people
who don’t know the difference between a Mauser and a Mouser!
Very nice rifle! While don't pretend to be right up on all the variations of 98's, this one is not at all common. It is worth a lot more than $750.
As I've said on here before - Three things to do if you are planning to buy/collect military surplus rifles: 1.Do your research; 2. Do your research; 3. Have cash ready.
No real good excuse nowadays for not researching, with the good old internet and good sites with people who know what they are talking about.
When I was much younger, I had to decide whether I was going to buy guns or books about guns. I bought guns, and a few books. I now spend a lot of my time researching the guns I bought years ago, and still buy guns. I'll be 75 in a month, but I have never given up on learning. Just learned, to my surprise that Winchester 67 22's have one piece action and barrel. Jeez, I have a couple and never noticed!
As I've said on here before - Three things to do if you are planning to buy/collect military surplus rifles: 1.Do your research; 2. Do your research; 3. Have cash ready.
No real good excuse nowadays for not researching, with the good old internet and good sites with people who know what they are talking about.
When I was much younger, I had to decide whether I was going to buy guns or books about guns. I bought guns, and a few books. I now spend a lot of my time researching the guns I bought years ago, and still buy guns. I'll be 75 in a month, but I have never given up on learning. Just learned, to my surprise that Winchester 67 22's have one piece action and barrel. Jeez, I have a couple and never noticed!
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OP, your Mauser is unique in that it retained it's original barrel and is therefore very likely chambered for the 8x57 Mauser.
As for the mismatch, Norwegians are very frugal folks and seldom throw out anything that is useable, especially when there are large quantities of such items, in excellent condition, once a bit of TLC has been administered.
It isn't at all uncommon to find Norwegian k98 rifles with mixed and matched part numbers.
That flat cut onto the side of the receiver will have a serial number on it that won't match any other numbers on the rifle, other than on the flat at the root of the bolt handle and maybe stamped into the side of the butt.
I see it has the "Red" glue laminate stock, which some collectors prefer and say it's rarer. I can't say. I've seen them with the clear glue as well.
I haven't seen any Norwegian K98s that were retained for military/police use that didn't wear laminated stocks. I suspect that any of the rifles they had and intended to re issue with Walnut stocks were fitted with take off Laminated stocks from less serviceable rifles.
I was told that the Norwegians had thousands of K98 rifles without bolts, because the Axis troops threw them away before surrendering them. Please, if someone knows more about this, reply.
I have owned and shot several such rifles chambered for 8x57, 7.62x63 and 7.62x51. All had Laminated stocks.
The 8x57 rifles didn't have the receiver cut out and the lengthened mag well for the 7.62x63(30-06).
The rifles chambered for the 7.62x51 were a toss up as far as the receiver cut out and lengthened mag well goes.
I've heard all sorts of different theories about the rifles chambered for 7.62x51. Some say they were used to get troops used to the trajectories and recoil of the cartridge, which may or may not be true as the trajectories of all three are very close.
Some say the 7.62x51 chambered rifles were made up for the Norwegian version of their Civilian Marksmanship Program.
Whatever. None of them were tack drivers and all were mismatched but in VG or better condition.
Whichever Norwegian captured K98 you have, it will be worth 25% at least more than a Russian FTR K98 IMHO.
So anywhere from $1500 on up, depending on bore condition etc.
As for the mismatch, Norwegians are very frugal folks and seldom throw out anything that is useable, especially when there are large quantities of such items, in excellent condition, once a bit of TLC has been administered.
It isn't at all uncommon to find Norwegian k98 rifles with mixed and matched part numbers.
That flat cut onto the side of the receiver will have a serial number on it that won't match any other numbers on the rifle, other than on the flat at the root of the bolt handle and maybe stamped into the side of the butt.
I see it has the "Red" glue laminate stock, which some collectors prefer and say it's rarer. I can't say. I've seen them with the clear glue as well.
I haven't seen any Norwegian K98s that were retained for military/police use that didn't wear laminated stocks. I suspect that any of the rifles they had and intended to re issue with Walnut stocks were fitted with take off Laminated stocks from less serviceable rifles.
I was told that the Norwegians had thousands of K98 rifles without bolts, because the Axis troops threw them away before surrendering them. Please, if someone knows more about this, reply.
I have owned and shot several such rifles chambered for 8x57, 7.62x63 and 7.62x51. All had Laminated stocks.
The 8x57 rifles didn't have the receiver cut out and the lengthened mag well for the 7.62x63(30-06).
The rifles chambered for the 7.62x51 were a toss up as far as the receiver cut out and lengthened mag well goes.
I've heard all sorts of different theories about the rifles chambered for 7.62x51. Some say they were used to get troops used to the trajectories and recoil of the cartridge, which may or may not be true as the trajectories of all three are very close.
Some say the 7.62x51 chambered rifles were made up for the Norwegian version of their Civilian Marksmanship Program.
Whatever. None of them were tack drivers and all were mismatched but in VG or better condition.
Whichever Norwegian captured K98 you have, it will be worth 25% at least more than a Russian FTR K98 IMHO.
So anywhere from $1500 on up, depending on bore condition etc.
Kongelig Norske Marine 'KNM' That's what they used to call their navy. Yes they are most often found in 8x57.
My vehicle restoration mentor in the US once said "the more I learn, the less I know" and I have taken that to heart, and also to never say the words Never and Always. I tell my son, each day, learn at least three things you did not know at start of the day.
