Not this crap again
. Veteran Special Forces guys? How many do you personally know? And which special forces use Glocks anyway? Navy Seals use the P226 and Mark 23, Delta and Rangers use 1911s, British SAS uses the P226, as does JTF2.
Who uses Glock? The Austrians, who haven't been at war with anybody since 1918? The Fiji Islands tactical response unit? Mall security in Las Vegas?
You need to lay off the kool-aid, buddy.
Did I say I know them? No... Does that matter?
How many do I know personally? Hmm... There is a term Quiet Professional for a reason I think... If I did, would I say. You might have heard of OPSEC.
Anyway, who cares, after all when I am an anonymous guy on the internet, why listen to me when you can use the internet for verification for what teams and individuals who could choose their own weapon carry.
In any case, since I don't need to throw out "JTF uses" and "SEALS use", I can just use google to show you that the many of the same people WHO TRAIN THE UNITS you mention do not train with or personally carry the ISSUE weapon of the UNIT.
What they are ISSUED and what they CARRY are two different things.
Besides: It also depends on the mission they are on. Different missions call for different weapons. Most times the weapons are not U.S. Government issue, but military arms from "other" countries, for example, when an ODA is training an indigenous group.
Hmm. Here is a start:
Paul Howe? Delta
Greg Hamilton? Ranger/SF/Airborne, Owner Insights Training Center, 2 time National Tactical invitational winner, Former Gunsite staff, etc.
John Holschen? SF, Former Director of Commercial Training for Triple Canopy, Instructor - JFKSWC.
Gabriel Suarez? SEAL
Larry Vickers? SF
Mike Shertz? SF/SWAT
Jim Cirillo? NYPD, Legend
Clint Cmith, Marine, Renown Instructor and Thunder Ranch Owner...
How is that for a start. SF Backgrounds, some national champion shooters, instructors at major schools, and trainers for elite units with no sponsorship or teaching contract with other manufactures that might "affect" what they carry.
Ohhh... I said elite... must be drinking cool-aid. Said "SF" too.
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Howe, Delta, teaches w/ glock. Simple.
Recent Paul Howe instructor course:
htt p://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=347106
"All instructor-candidates and Paul were running Glocks."
Where is the fancy 1911? They leave that on the set of The Unit I guess.
You think if JTF could choose what they wanted to shoot in 'STAN as a sidearm, they would choose the SIG? CF only has the Browning and the SIG in the inventory if I am not mistaken. Any CF members want to verify if anyone is allowed to "pick" what they want to carry?
How about Triple Canopy and other PMC's: TC never lost as a man in Iraq I heard, and had the best trainers in the business, and mostly SF vets on PSD teams etc. What did they issue to their contractors?
More evidence:
Gabe Suarez:
"What do I carry?
I carry a Glock 17 with 17 rounds of Corbon DPX ammo in 9mm.
Even the CGN favorite Yeagar of Tactical Response is a Glock evangelist...
How about Clint Smith from the real "TR" THUNDER RANCH... Probably the most in demand instructor for military and LE in the country
"Ask Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch what Glocks have problems on the firing line:
His answer will be something along the line of, "One's that have been "modified' and have had parts changed from original."
I don't speak for Clint Smith, but he did say this at least once."
Clint teaches with a highly engraved 1911 often. When asked why he said "If I can only carry one, it should be a a nice one..." And he has a "Thunder Ranch" marketing deal for 1911's so of course that is what he will promote.
But take a look at what he used when he was being filmed for his DVD series of training videos... Glock 9mm...
Here is a quote from Larry Vickers:
"1) IMO the Glock 19 and 17 are the best Glock's made - both are excellent pistols -
I own, use, and recommend both....
Bottom line Glocks in 9mm are excellent pistols - they are not my first choice in other calibers however - the S&W M&P has been called a product improved Glock ; this may be true but the verdict is still out as the M&P is a relatively new handgun
vs millions of Glock's in service (mostly in 9mm I might add) and S&W has a spotty record in terms of autoloading pistols - time will tell
hope this helps
Larry Vickers"
Oh yeah: National Tactical Invitational: Collection of the best instructors in the country, all with significant LE/Mil backgrounds and training:
Make of primary firearm used during NTI XV.
Glock-57%
SIG-14%
Colt-11%
Caspian-6%
Kimber-6%
Ed Brown-6%
Others used-Springfield, STI & S&W.
HOw about the NYPD? I am sure they have had a few gunfights, though not special forces. Speaking of NYPD. You know Jim Cirrilo?
"Toward the end of his life, he was generally to be found carrying one or another small Glock, either the G27 in .40 S&W or the G30 in .45 ACP "
Any more questions or do you want to waste time and compare training and instructors we know in order to validate some facts or to get some SF guys or SEALS to tell you they can carry what they want for a mission...?
There are 4 million glocks in military and LE service for a reason.
"Buddy"
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