Looking to build or buy a Fullbore Target Rifle

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Been away from this for so long all my equipment is antiquated.
Still shoots alright but not sure it can compete against the new stuff out there.

Who makes the good actions, barrels, sights out there and where can I purchase.

Any recommendatons would be greatly appreciated.
 
The best action is the Barnard P for this job with a barrel from Tru-Flight or Bartlein both from Hirsch. Best irons are Warner although RPA look pretty good and a front from Riles. Best stock was a Robertson although that company has been moved to Montana and may be available again soon. Best guy to put it all together is me!!
 
mmattockx said:
You forgot to also ask when it will be appearing in the EE. :stirthepot2::evil:

:D

Mark
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Not until I have a replacement.

Its a Win. Pre 64 Model 70 and if I do my part it will easily put 5 shots into less than an inch at 100.

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Today, 3 shots I pulled the one and knew I had, couldn't find my sling and had to improvise with a hunting sling.

Norma Brass
Sierra 155 Palma
46 gr Varget
CCI BR2

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Thank you Ian I will be in touch.
 
jimmyjazz said:
Not until I have a replacement.

Its a Win. Pre 64 Model 70 and if I do my part it will easily put 5 shots into less than an inch at 100.
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What a nice old Target Rifle. It might be a bit "outdated", but it's such a nice gun you really should keep it.

Ian can set you up very nicely. If I was building a new TR today, I would be getting exactly what Ian is suggesting to you.
 
A pre-'64 M70 target rifle is a classic. I have a post-'64 M70.308 NM rifle - long receiver, long rear bridge with slot for chargers - and it is a dandy.
 
rnbra-shooter said:
What a nice old Target Rifle. It might be a bit "outdated", but it's such a nice gun you really should keep it.

Ian can set you up very nicely. If I was building a new TR today, I would be getting exactly what Ian is suggesting to you.
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I probably will keep it, just saying if I do sell it... it wont be until I find a replacement.
 
The question is do you want to buy someone else's worn out #2 rifle, or build a new one that is an unknown commodity until you have $$$$ in it?

Savage makes tubular receiver single shot rifles; right bolt, right eject; right bolt, left eject, etc. They have TR, F-Class and Palma models. I like their #18532 for USD$2k, without sights.

The time for tough love is now. A 50yr old full bore rifle is not going to keep you in the same league as a truely modern gun designed for bullseyes. If this is going to be your hobby for another decade spend your money wisely.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
The question is do you want to buy someone else's worn out #2 rifle, or build a new one that is an unknown commodity until you have $$$$ in it?

Savage makes tubular receiver single shot rifles; right bolt, right eject; right bolt, left eject, etc. They have TR, F-Class and Palma models. I like their #18532 for USD$2k, without sights.

The time for tough love is now. A 50yr old full bore rifle is not going to keep you in the same league as a truely modern gun designed for bullseyes. If this is going to be your hobby for another decade spend your money wisely.
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Makes perfect sense, I don't mind spending the $$$ to get what I want but just want to make an informed decision.
Not a real big fan of Savage, not knocking them just not a fan???

My old Winchester is great for now, for practice but I know she won't cut it in a real match.

Thanks for input, looking forward to a fun decade.

JJ
 
Ian Robertson said:
Come out and try a Savage (etc) and then try a Barnard. They do cost more but there will be no question as to your choice. Nothing better in the world.
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Agreed. The best actions are so specific 99% of the gunsmiths don't know them. The Kiwis went for broke with the newest designs, and they have been extremely competitive as a result. Like when the South Africans starting selling Musgraves, and the British selling Swings/Angels/RPAs etc. Until the next big innovation appears, a Barnard is probably the hottest thing on the line.
 
It is not just which action shoots more accurately as this can be a very hard thing to prove. It's also pride of ownership and ease of use. These actions are straight and square where they are supposed to be and things that are supposed to touch do. You can operate the bolt with two fingers. Scope rail holes are straight and so on. I once took a scope and base of one rifle and put it on another and was on the paper at 900m, may be just luck because not all barrels point the same way but a good action sure helps!
 
Ian Robertson said:
The best action is the Barnard P for this job with a barrel from Tru-Flight or Bartlein both from Hirsch. Best irons are Warner although RPA look pretty good and a front from Riles. Best stock was a Robertson although that company has been moved to Montana and may be available again soon. Best guy to put it all together is me!!
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I'm also very interested in this topic. I'd planned to get back into target rifle this summer and am debating the new rifle / used rifle issue. Could you go a little further in depth regarding the parts you suggest. I've checked out the Warner website and Riles website, but I'm still unclear as to which sight would be best suited. Also, with regard to barrels, what is optimal suggested lenth and twist rate. Lastly, you say Robertson stocks. If these are unavailable, whats a good second choice?
 
The Warner sight to use in Canada would be the vernier model. Vernier is important if you get involved in team matches so the coach can read the sight. Most US shooters don't use verniers but have unlimited sighters, they also tend to be "click counters" instead of reading scales which is the opposite of what Commonwealth shooters do with two sighters (normally). Even very old Brit sights have verniers, never seen one without. The Riles would be the Palma model and the big "beer can" size is reputed to be best for older eyes. You can put a lens in the front sight or the rear but not both. An adjustable rear lens can be best due to the fact that it is adjustable if your eyes are not always the same due to health etc. Standard barrel is a 1:13. We have had exceptional results with True-Flite but I think it's hard to get a bad barrel these days from any of the good name brands like Bartlein or Kreiger. Tight bores are left over from issue ammo days and if you plan to shoot commercial projectiles then a 308 is the way to go. Hopefully Robertson stocks will be available soon but putting the Barnard action on a Barnard bedding block allows a wood stock to be used without fear of warping causing problems. The action only touches the block and not the stock. I have some bits and pieces of cheek and butt hardware that I am installing in wood stocks, until I run out but again we hope there will be a source of that soon. The reason the hardware is so good is that cost and effort were never considered in the design, tweeking until is was as good as possible. I believe that a decent piece of walnut is better than laminated, even if it is ripped into three or four layers and glued back together. You only have to machine both to realize the big strength difference. There are a couple of guys in the country that can copy a stock if you can borrow a master that you like.
 
nbmonte said:
I'm also very interested in this topic. I'd planned to get back into target rifle this summer and am debating the new rifle / used rifle issue. Could you go a little further in depth regarding the parts you suggest. I've checked out the Warner website and Riles website, but I'm still unclear as to which sight would be best suited. Also, with regard to barrels, what is optimal suggested lenth and twist rate. Lastly, you say Robertson stocks. If these are unavailable, whats a good second choice?
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(PM sent with an invitation to come to RNBRA matches...)

Warner sights are quite nice, I use one and am very happy with it - come out to a match and you can look mine over, see/feel the clicks and scale, etc. There are several other first-rate sights too. In the past couple of years there have been several really nice front sights come out (the trend has been to very large front sights).
 
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