Looking to legally shorten a pistol barrel to 106mm.

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Hello there,

I've done a search of the forum and found lots of posts saying it can/can not be done.

Before we go any further, I want to be clear that I want to fully stay inside the law.

Here's my situation: I want a Walther PPQ M2, but the normal US model is 4" (slide and barrel), which is obviously under the 106mm requirement.

Walther has two workarounds to sell PPQs in Canada: Offer the full extended 5" (slide and barrel), and offer their "Navy" model, which is a 4" slide with a 4.6" threaded barrel. 4.6" = 117mm. To me this looks ridiculous:

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So my question is: Can I shorten this to 106mm, in order to only have about .17" sticking out of the end, instead of .6". Basically I'd be cutting off a full cm of the schnib, but it would still meet the legal requirement because it would be more than the 4" stock barrel.

The other posts make it seem like it is hard to find gunsmiths to do this, because some say it is illegal. Other posters say it is legal, and the gunsmiths are uninformed.

What concerns me, though, is that I want to stay inside the law, so what do I have to do past that point? The firearm certificate is going to have a barrel length identified as 117mm, and if at some point an officer pulls out a ruler and measures 106mm, I don't want to get slammed to the ground because it doesn't match the paperwork.

For those who have done this in the past, is it as simple as having it professionally remeasured and having that new 106mm length reflected on the new serial number's specs? I assume I'd get a new piece of paper at that point with the new (still legal) length of over 105mm.

Thank you for the help.
 
pageophile said:
Drop Barry a line at Bits of Peices or Murray at Murray Charlton Enterprises. Had a few pistols shorted, easy peasy.
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Thank you, I've sent them e-mails and will call Monday.

kage123 said:
It would be awesome if the factory just did a few barrels up at 106mm
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I can understand the resistance, though. I mean they probably sell 100x more PPQs in the US than Canada, and technically they do offer the two ways to get around it now. The 106mm barrel "Canadian Edition" barrel would certainly be the perfect solution for me, but I don't think enough people are raising a stink to make it worth their while to add 6mm to their normal assembly line.
 
I did a quick crop to see what it would look like with a 106mm barrel, and the look is far better. Bits of Pieces got back to me and said it can be done, as long as it stays 106mm+.

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Search this forum, another poster went through the same situation with a ppq. I believe firstly the barrel measurement walther uses is different from the Canadian way of measuring. If I recall poster said if cut to 106, there would be a few threads left on barrel.

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I checked with Murray Charlton. He said send him the barrel AND the slide and he would trim it. It would end up just like the P99AS in Canada.
Walthers actually look not bad with 106mm barrel as the barrel sits further back than other pistol makes, resulting in less barrel sticking out.

If we were allowed suppressors I'd leave it alone. Also Walther PPQ barrel has a right hand twist thread so cap loosens with shooting.

There won't be any threads left over. Put a P99 and PPQ barrel side by side...the portion of the threading starts past 107mm on the PPQ barrel.

I used to think putting a P99 barrel would work but there is a VERY minor difference in locking lugs on bottom of barrel chamber, hence the need to cut the barrel on the PPQ vs. a simple barrel change.
 
A few reasons:
1. The trigger on the PPQ is better than the trigger on the P99.
2. I prefer a button mag release to a trigger guard paddle mag release (which is why I need the M2 version, not the normal PPQ).
3. The things that make the P99 cost more do not appeal to me, such as the fancy double action de-cocking button. I either have a round in the chamber because I'm about to shoot something, or I don't.
 
Fair enough. Though I have to admit that after having owned the p99 and shooting both before making the decision, not sure the ppq trigger is better. Some prefer the constant trigger of the ppq and don't want a decocker which is totally fair, but based on the samples I have used, the ppq did not have a lighter or smoother trigger than the sa p99 trigger.
 
gdawg said:
Fair enough. Though I have to admit that after having owned the p99 and shooting both before making the decision, not sure the ppq trigger is better.
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You are certainly granted full rights of an opinion, and if something feels better for you then I hope you enjoy your P99.

Majority opinions aren't always right, but there is a critical mass comments on the internet from reputable websites saying the PPQ's trigger is not just the best Walther trigger, but the best factory trigger in the entire semi-auto back gun category.
 
The ppq trigger breaks a little earlier than the P99. For me it's a bit more consistent. Both are very accurate. Also with PPQ, after shooting you holster. With P99AS either decock, reset AS mode by retracting slide 1/4" and release, or take your chances holster a pistol in short Single Action trigger mode. Some guys in USA advise against carry in AS mode and Decock to DA mode before holstering.

They easily equal the accuracy of Sigs, HK's. Bit more elegant and less bulky vs. the HK too.
 
Dave G, thank you for the clarification.

Gundoggy, to me I just can't justify thhe extra cost and cumbersome parts for something I won't use. Either I have a round in because I'm about to shoot, or I don't. I can get it out of the holster and #### it in practically one motion, and it's not like I'm patrolling or going on a raid expecting imminent contact when I need extra options.
 
Gundoggy said:
The ppq trigger breaks a little earlier than the P99. For me it's a bit more consistent. Both are very accurate. Also with PPQ, after shooting you holster. With P99AS either decock, reset AS mode by retracting slide 1/4" and release, or take your chances holster a pistol in short Single Action trigger mode. Some guys in USA advise against carry in AS mode and Decock to DA mode before holstering.

They easily equal the accuracy of Sigs, HK's. Bit more elegant and less bulky vs. the HK too.
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I sure wouldn't want to holster a p99 without decocking.
 
They are designed to be carried just like a glock.
The fact that they can be decocked is merely an extra feature
 
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