Loophole for mag tube extensions ?
- Thread starter Ms359
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The package has one check box for each of the following rem 870, rem 11-87 and win 1200/1300. Only the box for 870 is checked, I will dig it out tomorrow and check the tube itself. It's a tacstar if that helps.
Just thinking out loud here.
Lets ask ourselves;Assuming an 870 extention fits the 1100, 11-87, other Remmy, or intended semi, Did the 870 come before the semi-auto Remingtons that fit those extentions?
If so were there any 870 mag extentions produced prior to the advent of those semi-autos?
If the answers to both of those questions are yes, I think we could put those early mag extentions on 1100 and 11-87 shotguns.
If your 870 extention is clearly not designed or intended for any semi but you can make it fit without modifying it or your original tube I think you are good to go.
Lets ask ourselves;Assuming an 870 extention fits the 1100, 11-87, other Remmy, or intended semi, Did the 870 come before the semi-auto Remingtons that fit those extentions?
If so were there any 870 mag extentions produced prior to the advent of those semi-autos?
If the answers to both of those questions are yes, I think we could put those early mag extentions on 1100 and 11-87 shotguns.
If your 870 extention is clearly not designed or intended for any semi but you can make it fit without modifying it or your original tube I think you are good to go.
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I wonder where that came from. Is there a ruling or any legal or regulatory reference to that effect?
If that is indeed the case, I guess a guy could still put an unaltered long assed mag from a Defender or similar pump gun onto his semi and still not have an overcapacity semi-centerfire mag on his semi-centerfire shotty.
The more I think about this the more I don't think it is true. You can't mod a mag but it is perfectly fine to mod the gun or we wouldn't have .556 vz mag well adapters. It unscrews so I'm going to go with detachable but I'm not sure if that means anything or not.
By installing an extension, you have altered a legal, factory 5 round magazine to hold more than five rounds. Want to be the test case?
If you really want an official interpretation, which would be the one that would be used if charges were ever laid, call 800 731 4000, and get patched through to the SFSS for their interpretation.
If you really want an official interpretation, which would be the one that would be used if charges were ever laid, call 800 731 4000, and get patched through to the SFSS for their interpretation.
This makes a lot of sense, it's equivalent to removing the floor plate on a mag and adding an extension to it.
Please refer to bulletin 72 and more specifically the paragraph 4 (copied below);
"4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
So.... if a semi mag is a semi mag, and you were to put a 870 mag extention on your 11-87, the semi mag would end at its forward end on the 11-87 and the unmodified pump mag hanging of the end of the 11-87 is still an unregulated pump mag right?
"4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
So.... if a semi mag is a semi mag, and you were to put a 870 mag extention on your 11-87, the semi mag would end at its forward end on the 11-87 and the unmodified pump mag hanging of the end of the 11-87 is still an unregulated pump mag right?
The 11-87 mag tube is not detachable and therefore part of the firearm. It is not unlawfull to modify a firearm to accept a different magazine. (Removing the 11-87 mag cap and mag spring)(csa VZ58 .223 magwell adapters and AR pistol mags)
If you are going to do it, see the second paragraph in the above quote.
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At the end of the day your semi auto mag tube can hold 5.9 shells of the longest the action is designed for.
In other words if it's a gun designed for 3 inch shells then you can put a blocked extension on it that allows for 5.9 or just less then 6 3" shells.
After that you can load 6 2 3/4" shells in the tube magazine and be within the law.
That's as good as it gets.
In other words if it's a gun designed for 3 inch shells then you can put a blocked extension on it that allows for 5.9 or just less then 6 3" shells.
After that you can load 6 2 3/4" shells in the tube magazine and be within the law.
That's as good as it gets.
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+ 1 to this, the RCMP has come out with a determination about shell lengths, and the mag capacity is based on the longest shell the gun is marked to take.
BUT if you really want a 100% answer, write to the RCMP technical division and ask your question. A typed out and hand-signed letter to the RCMP. Only their response in writing and addressed TO YOU will be of any use as a legal defense.
However I am about 99.99% sure that Tiriaq hit the nail on the head, and that by adding a mag extension that allows more than 5 shots of the longest shell in the mag tube - that you're modifying a factory magazine into a prohibited device.
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can down and F33 have it correct
5x the longest the gun is made for
whats why the Remington versa max is the #1 selling semi auto this year
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5x the longest the gun is made for
whats why the Remington versa max is the #1 selling semi auto this year
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