Lost Art of "Cut Shells"

[TwoTone]

See grouse Man's pic posted of shotgun barrels in post 10 of this thread. I'd rather be a living breathing safety Sally than a dead retard.


http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-of-quot-Cut-Shells-quot?highlight=cut+shells

Edit: here is the pic. You decide if your fingers and face are worth saving a few cents over.


The results of cut shells

Whatever you say Sally.
Go inside, the sky is falling!

 

[Canadian_Zuk]

Haha

 

[Canadian_Zuk]

Strange as no where that I could find did it say those were caused by cut shells in that thread.

Yeah I know and expected someone to bring that up. That picture has been posted in numerous threads about cut shells. I couldn't find the original post. This topic comes up every few weeks. The display was created for the purpose of demonstrating what can and does happen with cut shells.

 

[Reeferman]

Yeah I know and expected someone to bring that up. That picture has been posted in numerous threads about cut shells. I couldn't find the original post. This topic comes up every few weeks. The display was created for the purpose of demonstrating what can and does happen with cut shells.

I would like to see what the original purpose of that display was for. They could have been caused by mud in the barrel, using wrong slug in wrong barrel, faulty barel or possibly from a cut shotgun shell. Or seeing as the gunsmith that had that display as stated in the thread

"The booth vendor was a gunsmith service that did new chokes on old barrels, IIRC. So over the years they got a lot of blowed-up barrels to repair."

Happened to make a few blow up to help his business?

All from cut shotgun shells? Never seen that stated.
Look I am not looking for any argument about if using cut shotgun shells was,is or will be a smart thing to do but I have never seen or heard of a shotgun blowing up in anyway from using them in my little part of the world. I have seen them blowing up from other obstructions like mud etc and high powered steel shot in an older choked shotgun.

If some or all of those barrels in that picture can be proven to be caused by cut shotgun shells then I stand to be proven wrong and will have no problem admitting to such.

 

[super7]

'Art' ?
Thats like calling a cheese whiz sandwich a gourmet feast.

 

[cyclops666]

I am neither young nor lived a sheltered life , just not stupid and resent your all knowing comment here.
you can tempt fate all you want, but hand loading a slug properly is far cheaper than buying factory bird shot.
Cat

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one. I hand load slugs and noway is it cheaper than buying factory birdshot.
Now I have never tried shooting cutshot but compared to some of the idiots on utube shooting rocks or whatever, this ain't so bad.

 

[Labman]

'Art' ?
Thats like calling a cheese whiz sandwich a gourmet feast.

You obviously haven't had one of my cheese whiz sandwiches!

 

[catnthehatt]

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one. I hand load slugs and noway is it cheaper than buying factory birdshot.
Now I have never tried shooting cutshot but compared to some of the idiots on utube shooting rocks or whatever, this ain't so bad.

We cast our own and run fibre wads, and yup, we save money.

Cat

 

[antiqueguy]

So shoving a piece of oversized plastic down a bore won't work? ... The magical pixies must make the sabots work

take a caliper to say sabot form anyone brand I bet its max .735" on most shoving a piece of plastic the same size of the chamber that happens to have more plastic and lead shot inside(under pressure could act like a solid and not want to swage down)

 

[antiqueguy]

Barry and Iraqveteran888 from Moss pawn are always entertaining, I probably watch more hickok45 and iraqveteran8888 videos than tv.

yes true think of them as the mythbusters of the firearms world they do it so you don't have too not everything is safe they do nor should it be repeated. I can call Eric a friend and have known him for about 6 years as such

 

[antiqueguy]

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one. I hand load slugs and noway is it cheaper than buying factory birdshot.
Now I have never tried shooting cutshot but compared to some of the idiots on utube shooting rocks or whatever, this ain't so bad.

maybe not cheaper then factory birdshot but its a heck of a lot cheap if you cast your own. or do like a lot of us do and buy bulk birdshot uncrimp it dump said shot and load in a slug and recrimp. realistically driving a slug around 1300fps is ideal anyway any faster and they fragment

 

[Andy]

See grouse Man's pic posted of shotgun barrels in post 10 of this thread. I'd rather be a living breathing safety Sally than a dead retard.


http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-of-quot-Cut-Shells-quot?highlight=cut+shells

Edit: here is the pic. You decide if your fingers and face are worth saving a few cents over.


The results of cut shells

The classic end of conversation "proof" for people without proof - a picture from the interwebs, followed by the classic line: "It's your face and hands!" The only thing better is a picture of an injured face or hand which are easy to find - they're on fireworks, automotive, machining and other sites, and the same pictures are happily shared, along with whatever story suits the argument.

In fact in the thread with this horrific picture it's stated:

No, I have no idea what caused them. Just food for thought.

Cut shells have been used for decades, and so have slugs through full chokes, and not one person can provide proof of damage or injury, yet "It's dangerous"!

 

[3macs1]

The classic end of conversation "proof" for people without proof - a picture from the interwebs, followed by the classic line: "It's your face and hands!" The only thing better is a picture of an injured face or hand which are easy to find - they're on fireworks, automotive, machining and other sites, and the same pictures are happily shared, along with whatever story suits the argument.

In fact in the thread with this horrific picture it's stated:

Cut shells have been used for decades, and so have slugs through full chokes, and not one person can provide proof of damage or injury, yet "It's dangerous"!

It is pretty simple anyone still firing cut shells today have no idea what they are dealing with and it will just be a matter of time before it bites them in the ass.

I probally fired my first cut shell in the mid 60's it was very common. What we used them for was when birds would land outside the decoys rather than getting out of the blind and scare the birds off we would rip a round over them and they would lift and move on.
Did this hundreds of times until one day one of the guys blew the side out of his 1100 barrel and scared the crap out of us in the blind. We were real lucky nobody got hurt but we could not understand WTF happened since none of usr had ever had an issue like this in the past
Well what is boiled down to 99% of our successful cut shells were the old paper hulls with a gas seal and fiber felts so when it flew down the barrel it all compressed and out it went plus these where operating around 5000 psi.

Then enter the plastic hull, solid wad design. Those did not have the give and may times the plastic hull would stay in the barrel which is exactly what happened to his. When he banged off the next round the barrel was blocked from the plastic hull staying behind and BOOM plus these were running around 9000 psi.

Now enter the steel age rock hard wads and no give to the steel shot at all. Had a guy cut one of those and it removed the choke tube and split the barrel on the end not to mention is was probally 11,500 psi.

There is another 100% cut shell blow up out there also with a pic on another form which I will try to find.

Pure foolishness at this stage of the game and for what when proper ammo is available and not costly

Here is the other one that was discussed on a few forums at the time. Damage due to section of cut shell remaining behind then boom with follow up shot

 

[Bland]

Interesting topic. A little off topic but an old fella I worked with as a kid (that would make him born in the 1800's) had homesteaded on the prairies after WW1. Like many he lost everything during the dirty 30's. Anyway what he told me was they used to open their shotgun shells, pour wax in them and use them as a form of slug. Of course everything pre plastic. He said they shot coyotes with that round. Never tried it myself.

 

[Labman]

Interesting topic. A little off topic but an old fella I worked with as a kid (that would make him born in the 1800's) had homesteaded on the prairies after WW1. Like many he lost everything during the dirty 30's. Anyway what he told me was they used to open their shotgun shells, pour wax in them and use them as a form of slug. Of course everything pre plastic. He said they shot coyotes with that round. Never tried it myself.

Here's a video of the same guy from the first video showing how to make the wax slugs. Interesting stuff for sure!

 

[Silveragent]

I've tried them all and instead of wax slugs I've substituted hot glue. There's less of a mess, you don't need a stove, you can make them all day long watching tv on the coffee table.

http://imgur.com/a/bEOBl

 

[OldDirtyGatMasta]

I've tried them all and instead of wax slugs I've substituted hot glue. There's less of a mess, you don't need a stove, you can make them all day long watching tv on the coffee table.

http://imgur.com/a/bEOBl

Cool, I've been using wax for a while now but I'll have to give glue a shot next time.

 

[357_fan]