love for the lowly boring .308

The Outsider said:
A 308 might be fine back east, or if you can't handle recoil,
but no serious hunter here in the Rockies hunts with a 308.

Even my wife now uses a 300 WSM.

The 308 is a great cartridge for deer size game , but if you ever come out here, better bring something bigger.

Better off over gunned than under gunned where the game can kill you before you can kill the game.
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Oh, geez...
 
My Scout Steyr 308 mounted with a S&B 1X8X28 FD7 would take down easy any animal permitted by law with that caliber to 500 metres, the rig is a lazer with RZ 165 gr... JP.
 
If I could only own ONE gun.... it would be a short barrel (18.5-20") bolt action .308.
 
The Outsider said:
Superior for what size game?

I was referring to hunting Moose and Elk here in the west, with the real chance of running into a grizzly.

Sectional density is important for penetration, but if your judging by sectional density alone, then a 243 with a 100 grain bullet is almost equal to your 308 with a 165 grain bullet, (.242 vs .248) so why not just hunt with a 243?

According to that theory, all of the big magnum calibers are unnecessary, and all we really need are 243's.

Sectional density (along with bullet construction and impact velocity) are among the key factors in determining penetration, however
kinetic energy, the ability to do damage, is the most common measure of killing power for rifle bullets.

The 30-06 and even the .358 (for shorter range work) will give you more options as far as bullet weight goes, which makes them both more versatile and thus superior big game rifles.

All of the outfitters in this area won't take you on a grizzly hunt with anything less than a 300 WM.

A 308 might be fine back east, or if you can't handle recoil,
but no serious hunter here in the Rockies hunts with a 308.

Even my wife now uses a 300 WSM.

The 308 is a great cartridge for deer size game , but if you ever come out here, better bring something bigger.

Better off over gunned than under gunned where the game can kill you before you can kill the game.
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I've walked the hills with everything from a .243 to a .450 Nitro Express. I sure won't feel undergunned taking my 7mm-08 out in grizz country this fall. I wouldn't take it on a grizzly specific hunt, but the vast majority of hunts out west aren't for grizzly anyways. I know lots out west don't use a .308 because of it's trajectory; but, to turn it down because of a lack of power is fool hardy. Oh however did myself and countless others survive climbing mountains with no rifle at all?
 
The 308 is a great cartridge for deer size game , but if you ever come out here, better bring something bigger.
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Please don't classify the .308 Win as a deer gun, it's very annoying to me and very insulting to all the Elk and Moose harvested with a .308 Win.
 
358 BLR said:
Please don't classify the .308 Win as a deer gun, it's very annoying to me and very insulting to all the Elk and Moose harvested with a .308 Win.
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Completely agree. .308 can and does easily take larger than deer. I find it kinda silly too.
 
DAJA said:
Completely agree. .308 can and does easily take larger than deer. I find it kinda silly too.
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Oh c'mon.... I'm gettin a laff outta reading this...

I never knew I had to shoot a .300WM if I was on a guided grizzly hunt... Huh... Bears must be getting tougher because a 30-06 used to be lot's 4-5years ago.
 
358 BLR said:
I prefer a minimum barrel length of 20" for the .308 Win
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mine is 18.7", so it probably only lags 30 fps behind a 20" tube - not worth talking about

here's the result of a 150gr Accubond @ 2850 fps - 30 yard dash and tipped over.

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The Outsider said:
Superior for what size game?

I was referring to hunting Moose and Elk here in the west, with the real chance of running into a grizzly.

Sectional density is important for penetration, but if your judging by sectional density alone, then a 243 with a 100 grain bullet is almost equal to your 308 with a 165 grain bullet, (.242 vs .248) so why not just hunt with a 243?

According to that theory, all of the big magnum calibers are unnecessary, and all we really need are 243's.

Sectional density (along with bullet construction and impact velocity) are among the key factors in determining penetration, however
kinetic energy, the ability to do damage, is the most common measure of killing power for rifle bullets.

The 30-06 and even the .358 (for shorter range work) will give you more options as far as bullet weight goes, which makes them both more versatile and thus superior big game rifles.

All of the outfitters in this area won't take you on a grizzly hunt with anything less than a 300 WM.

A 308 might be fine back east, or if you can't handle recoil,
but no serious hunter here in the Rockies hunts with a 308.

Even my wife now uses a 300 WSM.

The 308 is a great cartridge for deer size game , but if you ever come out here, better bring something bigger.

Better off over gunned than under gunned where the game can kill you before you can kill the game.
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In the your first post that I quoted, you compared a 180 gr. bullet in .308 and .358. Given the choice between those two options, I would pick the .308 every time. The 250/.358 matches the 180/.308, but to equal the velocity of the .308 you would need to step up to at least a .35 Whelen case capacity.
 
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