Not entirely true. Before the CISC the DCRA sniper match was the sniper competition for the Canadian Forces, as the part of the Canadian Forces Small Arms Competition which was run together with the DCRA. The military shooters shot their C3's in the same matches shoulder to shoulder with the civilian competitors, the only difference being the colour and logo of the match tickets. Visiting international military teams were put into the same category as the DCRA civilians. DCRA competitors were even issued military ammo to shoot with, until that eventually ended in the later years.
Love this! Been saying it for years.
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Not entirely true. Before the CISC the DCRA sniper match was the sniper competition for the Canadian Forces, as the part of the Canadian Forces Small Arms Competition which was run together with the DCRA. The military shooters shot their C3's in the same matches shoulder to shoulder with the civilian competitors, the only difference being the colour and logo of the match tickets. Visiting international military teams were put into the same category as the DCRA civilians. DCRA competitors were even issued military ammo to shoot with, until that eventually ended in the later years.
Thanks for the information swissinn.
Would you be able to describe what you think how an accurate competition could be run? It is not often that us regular peeps get to pick the brain of an actual professional in the field.
Thanks for your service and your time.
Would you be able to describe what you think how an accurate competition could be run? It is not often that us regular peeps get to pick the brain of an actual professional in the field.
Thanks for your service and your time.
Gucci kit doesn't win matches... until someone who wins is using it. Then it's the reason they won.
Quiet:
What is not true? I have competed in DCRA so-called "sniper matches". They are not sniper matches as they fire at known distances, no field craft, fixed positions or communication. Certainly PRS is like 3 times more applicable to real-world combat but even they do not call them sniper matches.
Regards,
Peter
What is not true? I have competed in DCRA so-called "sniper matches". They are not sniper matches as they fire at known distances, no field craft, fixed positions or communication. Certainly PRS is like 3 times more applicable to real-world combat but even they do not call them sniper matches.
Regards,
Peter
One exception I can think of would be the Mammoth Sniper Challenge. It has a day that's all fieldcraft; a stalk, target detection, etc... The other days are quite different from the other matches that make up the PRS, it looks more like Milcun's Argyll Cup.
The DCRA "Sniper Matches" were taken straight out of the CFSAC rulebook, where (in the 1992 version I was issued) they were referred to as either "The Sniper Team Match", or "The Sniper Rifle Matches". Prior to 2003, it was in fact the same match, shot concurrently, at CFSAC, so by my reasoning that would be the correct name for them.
Outdated? Perhaps, but a Model T doesn't stop being a car just because it doesn't have airbags and ABS.
The matches were clearly intended to be a practical test of marksmanship skill with the sniper rifle, within the limits imposed by the venue, available resources and the spirit of having a fair and safe competition. It sounds like the new version of the CF matches are much more advanced, but unfortunately it seems that someone in the military has taken their ball away and doesn't want to play together with the DCRA members anymore.
I've had the chance to shoot the Argyle Cup at Milcun and I agree it was a lot more exciting and challenging than the DCRA matches.
Thanks Quiet, appreciate the history, facts and comment. I shot a lot of these matches and had a great time.
Back to thread and little squirt Swissinn's often-made comment about shooting enough at a target and you 'll hit it. I'm sure we all agree this type of shooting is pointless.
Swissinn shot one of my PR/FClass type rifles and had the tightest grouping at about 550 m @ CISC 2 years ago on new electronic target. He was good to go from first shot.
Regards,
Peter
Back to thread and little squirt Swissinn's often-made comment about shooting enough at a target and you 'll hit it. I'm sure we all agree this type of shooting is pointless.
Swissinn shot one of my PR/FClass type rifles and had the tightest grouping at about 550 m @ CISC 2 years ago on new electronic target. He was good to go from first shot.
Regards,
Peter
To give a background on the OP, Lowlight wrote that article because there is a guy in Texas claiming a record after hitting a target at 3800 yards. It took him 18 shots to hit it...
http://americangg.net/texan-breaks-the-world-record-for-longest-shot-at-3800-yards/
http://americangg.net/texan-breaks-the-world-record-for-longest-shot-at-3800-yards/
LOL.... they wish it was 70lbs.
And yes I agree with you on the too much gear thing. The CF has this thinking that if it exists, we MUST take it with us at all times.
Oh and everything uses a different style battery, so you need batteries for everything, plus some extras JIC.
And yes I agree with you on the too much gear thing. The CF has this thinking that if it exists, we MUST take it with us at all times.
Oh and everything uses a different style battery, so you need batteries for everything, plus some extras JIC.
Yes the over educateds making excellent decisions as usual. You know exactly what you need but instead get told exactly what you need by someone with zero to little hands on experience sound like where I work;>
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I thought sniper teams got to decide what they are going to need for there specific mission?
