Low Distance Scope Dilemma, Please Help
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You can have one scope that does it all and has a 34mm maintube: the S&B 5-25 x 56 Police Marksman II LP... Parallax down to 10m. You would have, IMHO, one of the coolest rifles on this board, were you to pair this up with your Steyr.
That is insane
What a beautiful piece of glass!
Thanks,
- Koshy
Yup, pretty popular amongst the S&B owners around here, usually on a Timberwolf... Strangely, no one seems to have the 4-16x50...
Yup, pretty popular amongst the S&B owners around here, usually on a Timberwolf... Strangely, no one seems to have the 4-16x50...
God only knows they of all people would have the money
Concidering a Timberwolf can hit a chest sized target at 1200+ meters I am not surprised they opt for the higher magnification.
But as far as I understand it, mirage can become quite the issue at 18+ magnification... But it might have to do with the fact you only pay a few hundred more yet you get the latest and greatest, not to mention a higher power scope
I cannot say as I am not tempted by the 5-25x56 PR Heritage, since it is like the same price as the 3-15x50 PR Heritage... but I still have a little while to decide so I will hold off and keep debating it
One of my biggest issues with it, is that the 5-25x56 is Double Turn knobs... I'm pretty sure it isn't available in single turn. How big a deal that would be though... I'm not sure since one revolution on the PR-H covers 15 mils (about 51 MOA). Which I would think is enough in most cases (besides extreme ones)? I don't know what you think?
Appreciate the input and ideas, and keep them coming
Thanks,
- Koshy
Mirage depends on a coupe of factors and can, in fact, help you guage wind. You're not likely to see much mirage, unless the ground between you and your target is amenable to absorbing the suns rays and radiating a lot of heat (like sand, asphalt, etc.).
You're missing the point though: I'm telling you that the S&B 5-25 solves your problems effectively... 25x causing you truble? Just set it to a lower magnification. Who cares about the double turn knobs - you in a hurry to set your elevation? You won't be shooting at something that'll shoot back, will you? It's got a very low parallax setting; can you say the same thing about the PR?
Food for thought.
You're missing the point though: I'm telling you that the S&B 5-25 solves your problems effectively... 25x causing you truble? Just set it to a lower magnification. Who cares about the double turn knobs - you in a hurry to set your elevation? You won't be shooting at something that'll shoot back, will you? It's got a very low parallax setting; can you say the same thing about the PR?
Food for thought.
Leupold VX-3 6.5x20 EFR Target ?
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-...air-rifle-scopes/vx-3-6-5-20x40mm-efr-target/
Should focuses down to 10m (because it's an airgun scope)
More durable (because it's an airgun scope)
but it's only 1-inch, and would need custom knobs & paint to make sure it costs as much as the others.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-...air-rifle-scopes/vx-3-6-5-20x40mm-efr-target/
Should focuses down to 10m (because it's an airgun scope)
More durable (because it's an airgun scope)
but it's only 1-inch, and would need custom knobs & paint to make sure it costs as much as the others.
He'd need to swap out his 34mm rings then, so that doesn't apply
I totally get you and get what your saying... and I mean if I went with something else I would be paying that +500-600$ for something to allow me at the lower distances anyway, but with more annoyances like having to switch them. So if I do plan to use it at that low, it for sure is a huge contender... but...
I am totally not dismissing it, but I am starting to take into concideration everything else that people have said (like 2bad4u), you know about using brass at 25meters, etc...
Now that I have shot it, I mean it's decent at 50 meters, and doesn't feel like a waste when we do fun events like save the hostage without shooting him in a short time span, etc... but 25 meters... and seeing 3 holes in the same damn spot even with $80 bushnell, just seems.... wrong, a waste maybe?
I don't know, maybe you have some feelings on it, I kinda feel like I need to think more on it.
Thanks for the info, but there are lots of other options out there too
But I will for sure at least take a look at it Actually if I went with the AI scope mount, they have spaces for 30mm and 26mm (1"), pretty cool
Thanks,
- Koshy
In that case, yeah, spend the 5-600$ on a 22 - screw the S&B.
I think you misunderstood me dude, I said if I can go with the S&B that costs a few hundred more then the PR, and not have to pay 500-600 for something else quality, and also have the problems with remounting because it is a different optic... then the S&B is the way to go... the only thing I am debating now is if I will be shooting at all at 20-50 with my Steyr...
Hope that clears things up,
Thanks,
- Koshy
Gotcha except for this part
Okay basically what I am saying is, if I go with the S&B you mentioned over say the Premier Reticle, I will be paying about $500-600 more, but if I wanted something for 20-50 meters (because I got the PR) I would be paying $500-600 for something else for that range that is quality, so why not just pay $500-600 more for the S&B and not have the annoyance of having to dismount and remount the optics every week.
I hope that is more clear. Basically the decision now is, will I use this platform for 20m, if I will use it for 20m then yes S&B, if not then no and go with PR.
I wouldn't compare S&B to those other companies, but I think it is comparable to a Hensoldt or a Premier Reticle (been around 60 years doing stuff for optics but just recently got into building scopes themselves). I have only heard one negative about PR, and they solved it like really quickly after the problem was found, and even let their own customers fix it rather then what most companies do which is force you to send it back. Wasn't even a major problem either.
Thanks,
- Koshy
mightyhunter
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Go with the Zeizz Hensoldt...you have one of a few rifles in Canada. Its only make sense to put one of the rarely seen scopes on it. The Hensoldt will meet all your needs.
I would not put the Nightforce and Leupolds in the same class as the S&B or the Hensoldt.
I would not put the Nightforce and Leupolds in the same class as the S&B or the Hensoldt.
I would not put them in the same class either. And I was concidering the Hensoldt, up until I have not heard back from them for them trying to find a way to get one in Canada for over 3 weeks now... soooo not likely to get my hands on one -.-
I'm sure a Premier Reticle will be quite rare to, their R&D + glass is in Germany, they just Manufacture in the states... and also they are manufacturing the S&B's for the USMC, so I'm sure they know what they are doing
Thanks,
- Koshy
Alright, so what I said earlier was valid: get the PR and a .22 for the 20-50m business.
I would not put them in the same class either. And I was concidering the Hensoldt, up until I have not heard back from them for them trying to find a way to get one in Canada for over 3 weeks now... soooo not likely to get my hands on one -.-
I'm sure a Premier Reticle will be quite rare to, their R&D + glass is in Germany, they just Manufacture in the states... and also they are manufacturing the S&B's for the USMC, so I'm sure they know what they are doing
Thanks,
- Koshy
Call The Shooting Edge or PM Redleg for Zeiss Optronics/Hensoldt, I mentioned that a while back in your thread. As far as I know, PR just makes a reticule for the S&B, not the scope itself.
BTW, Hensoldt is pretty sick: 0.05 mils/click! Not even S&B has that - I'd put them in a class all on their own...
