low recoil caliber?
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Look at remmington ballistics table. .308 is great and almost identical to 30-06 and 7mm. 5-7% drop in range, but 20-30% drop in recoil. Check out Chuck Hawks website an ammo. I believe the best article is matching ammo to game. Just google Chuck Hawks. Good Reading.
7-08 isn't a great elk gun. Fine for deer though. You can't live in Alberta and not go after elk sometime.
308 with 150 gr bullets has a pretty mild recoil. If you are after elk 180's are in order, but who feels recoil when shooting at game????
My mod 70 in 308 has very, very mild recoil.
As for range, in todays magnum oriented world, it still competes. Very accurate out to 300 -350 yards. How accurate are you at 350 yards???
308 with 150 gr bullets has a pretty mild recoil. If you are after elk 180's are in order, but who feels recoil when shooting at game????
My mod 70 in 308 has very, very mild recoil.
As for range, in todays magnum oriented world, it still competes. Very accurate out to 300 -350 yards. How accurate are you at 350 yards???
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I've never hunted elk, but them what does say they're a little harder to put down than moose.
If that's true, i'd be reluctant to drop below 30-06. Just hits a little harder than the 308.
What you CAN do tho to reduce recoil is look at a 150 - 168 barnes x bullet. With a moderate load it's not exactly a kicker, but the barnes x hits very hard for it's weight.
If you handload you should be able to tame it right down - pick the right powder for recoil and get a 165 triple shock cooking along at about 2800 fps, and that'll do the job nicely.
You may want to consider recoil reduction methods - like a good limbsaver pad for starters, and stay away from 'lightweight' guns. That can REALLY tame the gun down quite a bit.
If that's true, i'd be reluctant to drop below 30-06. Just hits a little harder than the 308.
What you CAN do tho to reduce recoil is look at a 150 - 168 barnes x bullet. With a moderate load it's not exactly a kicker, but the barnes x hits very hard for it's weight.
If you handload you should be able to tame it right down - pick the right powder for recoil and get a 165 triple shock cooking along at about 2800 fps, and that'll do the job nicely.
You may want to consider recoil reduction methods - like a good limbsaver pad for starters, and stay away from 'lightweight' guns. That can REALLY tame the gun down quite a bit.
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Pick your caliber, choose a rifle with some weight to it, shoot bullets at the lighter end of the selection spectrum. As you probably already know, pretty much everything to do with ballistics / shooting is a trade-off.
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Darned near any of the 308 family cases from 6.5 up to 35 can be handloaded
to mild recoil, and cranked to hunt anything big.
I have loaded ammo for guys that have had absolutely no problem dropping elk and moose with 6.5X55's, 7/08's, 7X57's, etc.
Some of them have even used the lighteer varmint bullets to take coyotes, and their kids have shot these rifles to take deer , elk and moose with.
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to mild recoil, and cranked to hunt anything big.
I have loaded ammo for guys that have had absolutely no problem dropping elk and moose with 6.5X55's, 7/08's, 7X57's, etc.
Some of them have even used the lighteer varmint bullets to take coyotes, and their kids have shot these rifles to take deer , elk and moose with.
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+1 for the 7-08.
It's just fine for elk; I wouldn't consider it to be 'marginal' at all. Don't take any raking shots and you'll be fine (you shouldn't be taking raking shots with any caliber on game this large anyway IMHO)
It's just fine for elk; I wouldn't consider it to be 'marginal' at all. Don't take any raking shots and you'll be fine (you shouldn't be taking raking shots with any caliber on game this large anyway IMHO)
Not that this matters a whole lot but Remington /Federal offer reduced recoil loads in 7mm Mag. Im just not sure its your everday moose , elk load but its your shoulder.Check it out!
Centerfire > Managed-Recoil
Managed-Recoil™
Half the recoil. Twice the Confidence.
For years, shooters have wished for and hand-loaders have attempted to create a lower recoil load – usually by simply reducing the amount of gunpowder. The results did create less kick, but at the expense of bullet expansion and on-game performance. For many years, the gap between low recoil and effective hunting performance seemed an insurmountable one. That is, until now.
New Managed-Recoil Centerfire Ammunition delivers the trusted Remington® field proven hunting performance out to 200 yards with half the recoil. How? Through a specialized new bullet that was developed specifically to perform at these cartridge’s velocity levels. These bullets are optimized to provide 2x expansion with over 75% weight retention on shots inside of 50 yards and out to 200 yards. The end result is a high performance bullet optimized to provide the on-game results you've come to expect from Remington Ammunition with just half the felt recoil.
Managed-Recoil Applications
While the uses for Managed-Recoil centerfire ammunition are numerous, here are some of the more popular applications:
All Hunters: Most deer hunting shots are taken well within 200 yards, Managed-Recoil cartridges provide effective performance, with less than 1/2 the recoil. The result is less anticipation of recoil, better shot placement, and quicker scope recovery.
Recoil-Sensitive Hunters: For shooters that are unable to tolerate the recoil of a standard cartridge, Managed-Recoil Cartridges are the perfect solution. Effective performance with half the recoil.
Youth and Women: Managed-Recoil allows youth and women to practice and hunt effectively, with nearly the same point of aim as a standard cartridge at 100 yards. Best of all, they can use an existing gun without readjusting the scope.
Practice Makes Perfect: For hunters that target shoot to improve their performance, Managed-Recoil cartridges provide more time on the range, without the bruises to prove it. It offers great hunting performance at ranges out to 200 yards, and you can switch to full-power ammo without scope adjustment.
Remington® Managed Recoil® RL7MM4 140 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt®
Velocity (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Managed Recoil® 140 PSP CL 2710 2482 2265 2059 1865 1683
Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Managed Recoil® 140 PSP CL 2283 1915 1595 1318 1081 880
Short-Range Trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300
Remington® Managed Recoil® 140 PSP CL 0.0 zero -1.5 -4.5 -9.2 -15.7
HHB
Centerfire > Managed-Recoil
Managed-Recoil™
Half the recoil. Twice the Confidence.
For years, shooters have wished for and hand-loaders have attempted to create a lower recoil load – usually by simply reducing the amount of gunpowder. The results did create less kick, but at the expense of bullet expansion and on-game performance. For many years, the gap between low recoil and effective hunting performance seemed an insurmountable one. That is, until now.
New Managed-Recoil Centerfire Ammunition delivers the trusted Remington® field proven hunting performance out to 200 yards with half the recoil. How? Through a specialized new bullet that was developed specifically to perform at these cartridge’s velocity levels. These bullets are optimized to provide 2x expansion with over 75% weight retention on shots inside of 50 yards and out to 200 yards. The end result is a high performance bullet optimized to provide the on-game results you've come to expect from Remington Ammunition with just half the felt recoil.
Managed-Recoil Applications
While the uses for Managed-Recoil centerfire ammunition are numerous, here are some of the more popular applications:
All Hunters: Most deer hunting shots are taken well within 200 yards, Managed-Recoil cartridges provide effective performance, with less than 1/2 the recoil. The result is less anticipation of recoil, better shot placement, and quicker scope recovery.
Recoil-Sensitive Hunters: For shooters that are unable to tolerate the recoil of a standard cartridge, Managed-Recoil Cartridges are the perfect solution. Effective performance with half the recoil.
Youth and Women: Managed-Recoil allows youth and women to practice and hunt effectively, with nearly the same point of aim as a standard cartridge at 100 yards. Best of all, they can use an existing gun without readjusting the scope.
Practice Makes Perfect: For hunters that target shoot to improve their performance, Managed-Recoil cartridges provide more time on the range, without the bruises to prove it. It offers great hunting performance at ranges out to 200 yards, and you can switch to full-power ammo without scope adjustment.
Remington® Managed Recoil® RL7MM4 140 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt®
Velocity (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Managed Recoil® 140 PSP CL 2710 2482 2265 2059 1865 1683
Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Managed Recoil® 140 PSP CL 2283 1915 1595 1318 1081 880
Short-Range Trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300
Remington® Managed Recoil® 140 PSP CL 0.0 zero -1.5 -4.5 -9.2 -15.7
HHB
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riden said:
I'll tell ya, I was really lucky to recover this little fella. He took a 140gr XLC in the ribs, and went almost 20 yards.... it was nip and tuck there for a few seconds and he swayed back and forth....
Damn lucky the bullet even broke the hide with the little 7-08AI.
This fall if I don't arrow one first, I'll try to slip another bullet between the ribs if I can find a piece of elk hide soft enough to allow bullet penetration.
I'm also very fortunate that the little 140gr Partition busted the shoulder and killed the nice bull moose the year before.
As for the goat, stone's sheep, mulies, whitetail, and numerous huge blackies (and a grizz).... horseshoe up my azz I guess!
Bottom line, there is not a critter in North America that I'd hesitate hunting with a 7-08 Rem loaded with 140gr TSX's!
Those who doubt or knock the little round... haven't killed with it!
With today's wonder bullets such as a 140gr TSX it IS the new 30-06!!!!!!
280_ACKLEY
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I really don't think an elk is going to notice the difference between 7mm-08 at 2800ft with a 140gr, or 308 at 2900ft with a 150gr.... the 7mm-08 is just fine with a properly constructed bullet.
And if you get a 7mm-08 with a laminate stock, you can always club the elk with it
And if you get a 7mm-08 with a laminate stock, you can always club the elk with it
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