That scopes sure weighs a lot at 33.3 ozs, also the rings would add up. I have a Leupold VX-R patrol 1.25-4x20mm scope on a rifle with which weighs 12 ozs, with an aero precision ultralight 30mm scope mount which weighs 3.25 ozs
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The bold and underlined part is incorrect. If the dot on your red dot is 2 moa, it remains 2 moa when you flip a magnifier behind it. The whole image is magnified by the magnifier so the relationship between dot and target remains the same. I'm not sure where that belief comes from, to be honest or why some people think it applies to a red dot but not a holo sight. Nonetheless I prefer a holosight like an Eotech when using a magnifier as the dots are smaller (1 moa) and there are more reference points for holdovers.
The choice of what optic to get for a carbine is really a factor of how far you intend to shoot, what size targets you intend to shoot at and where the targets are located (in the open in front of a berm or nestled in the woods).
If you're intending on shooting at "man-sized" (read full-size IPSC) targets out to 300 and they're in the open, you can do that with a simple red dot. If you intend on shooting smaller targets, targets that are obscured in the woods or at longer ranges, you'll need some magnification. Here's an article I wrote a while back going over some of the pros/cons of red dots, prisms, LPVOs, etc:
https://www.canadianmultigun.ca/learning-zone/the-scoped-carbine
I own or have owned and extensively used many of the LPVOs currently on the market. I was running a Trijicon 1-4x TR-24 Accupoint LPVO on my service carbine in Afghanistan as far back as 2008. Looking at it another way, I rocked a Low-Power Variable in combat more than 10 years before the current LPVO craze erupted on the "action shooting" scene. Just saying. And yes, I AM that old...
As with most things in life, when it comes to optics you generally get what you pay for. In that regard, how much you are willing and able to spend will determine what you wind with in terms of overall utility, image quality, size and weight, and so forth. Don't forget that your budget must also include a decent mount, which will generally run in the $300 to $600 price-range for a QD Cantilever style by a quality manufacturer such as American Defense.
A small handful of newer manufacturers have managed to cut out much of the normal marketing and at least one level of Distribution in their sales model, passing those savings on to the customer. This typically results in a much lower price for quality optics which would cost close to double their retail price if conventionally marketed and distributed. One such company leading the pack is Arken Optics. Their newest model, their first LPVO called the EP-8 is (as the name suggests), a 1-8x 28mm Scope with a 34mm Tube, true 1x image, First Focal Plane, a very intuitive "Killbox" reticle with Bullet-drop compensation, Japanese ED glass, Throw Lever, Illumination, Capped Turrets with excellent tactile feel and sound, and on and on the list of high-end features goes. This is an EXCELLENT optic for its retail price of less than $500.00 CAD. Try one, and I can pretty much guarantee that you will be impressed with the value for your dollar!
As with most things in life, when it comes to optics you generally get what you pay for. In that regard, how much you are willing and able to spend will determine what you wind with in terms of overall utility, image quality, size and weight, and so forth. Don't forget that your budget must also include a decent mount, which will generally run in the $300 to $600 price-range for a QD Cantilever style by a quality manufacturer such as American Defense.
A small handful of newer manufacturers have managed to cut out much of the normal marketing and at least one level of Distribution in their sales model, passing those savings on to the customer. This typically results in a much lower price for quality optics which would cost close to double their retail price if conventionally marketed and distributed. One such company leading the pack is Arken Optics. Their newest model, their first LPVO called the EP-8 is (as the name suggests), a 1-8x 28mm Scope with a 34mm Tube, true 1x image, First Focal Plane, a very intuitive "Killbox" reticle with Bullet-drop compensation, Japanese ED glass, Throw Lever, Illumination, Capped Turrets with excellent tactile feel and sound, and on and on the list of high-end features goes. This is an EXCELLENT optic for its retail price of less than $500.00 CAD. Try one, and I can pretty much guarantee that you will be impressed with the value for your dollar!
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I bought a discontinued Leupold vari X II in 1-4x20 specifically for my S&W MP15. the scope weighs all of 9 ounces and you hardly feel its' weight on the rifle. it isn't a tactical scope, no illumination or hash marks, just a duplex reticle that seems to find the target fairly quickly anyway. very light little combination that's gathering dust now.
brownbear53
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YES and kinda yes
A 1 moa dot, is 1 moa in size, regardless of distance, a magnifier, magnifies the your image, and in the process the glass your dot is projected on,
This makes the dot 3 MOA visibility across the entire visible distance of the magnified images.
The Center dot on a EOtech isn't actually 1 moa, its much much smaller, closer to 1/3rd MOA, this is possible due to the holographic itself, We perceive it to be 1 MOA,
Upon magnification it shows a true, closer to 1 MOA dot (maybe still smaller) (compared to the obvious enlargement visible on a red dot)
This perception of the dot being still 1 moa magnified is what makes people think holographic reticles don't get bigger with magnification, hence the folklore whereas they do, pretty obvious to tell by looking at the outer ring.
Vortex themselves have also busted this myth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/VortexAnsw..._magnifiers_make_your_red_dot_bigger_but_not/
More ammo/references for your future posts, from someone that also runs magnified Eotechs
We tend to be influenced here by trends in the united states which don't make a whole lot of sense in Canada. In the us you might use your rifle at 3 yards and 600 yards on the same stage. But here due to range limitations you wont see many shots at 600. A quality red dot would be faster for most of what you see here. Then if you are using it for predator hunting then a hunting scope would likely work better.
For range shooting and competition where the stages and targets are known, LPVO is a great do it all solutions. I will still add a mini reflex as a back up.
But if there are no stages or targets can pop up anytime from 0-whatever, adding a mini-reflex is a must, or getting onto the discipline of always having the LPVO set to 1X by default, as soon as it is done with any other mag setting. In this case the mini-reflex is the primary, the LPVO is the secondary when there is time to "assess" magnification is needed.
But if there are no stages or targets can pop up anytime from 0-whatever, adding a mini-reflex is a must, or getting onto the discipline of always having the LPVO set to 1X by default, as soon as it is done with any other mag setting. In this case the mini-reflex is the primary, the LPVO is the secondary when there is time to "assess" magnification is needed.
Agree 100%. The mini-reflex/red dot is also necessary for night shooting anyways, be it with white light or under nods.
Any pics of that set up?
I'd assume it's just your typical LPVO with a red dot at 12:00 or on an offset mount at 45 degrees. I can take pictures if it's helpful?
I wouldn't expect the Venom to be all that much better than the StrikeEagle 1-6. A much better scope to evaluate if you wish to avoid the fish-eye and other shortcomings of the less-expensive StrikeEagle line of Vortex optics is the
Viper PST 2 1-6x LPVO. This mid to upper-range Vortex Optic features a daylight-bright center-dot, a simple crosshair reticle with milliradian center, low-profile capped Turrets, and so on and so forth. They are excellent scopes offering most of the functionality of the Vortex Razor Gen 2 1-6x optic at roughly half of the price ($930 CAD new retail). Check one out! It is everything that you need in a 1-6x for under $1K!
E.T.A: I happen to have that exact Scope and Mount available for sale. PM me, as it is not yet listed.
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The new Venom is interesting. FOV at 1x is huge (same FOV as the razor gen iii) and videos on YouTube are saying the image is flat and no fisheye effect. I didn't like the SE for those reasons.
Bartok is right about the Viper PST. After all those years it's still a top product for the price.
I mean, you get what you pay for and the Venom is definitely a budget LPVO. I don't think many people have time on them as they just got released. I've got half a mind to try one out just to see. I don't have much time on the 1-6 Strike Eagle but a couple guys who attended one of the scoped carbine classes I run were using them and were having no issues putting rounds on a 2/3 IPSC at 625 by the end of the class. Can't really speak to how they run close in on 1x though. The PST Gen 2 that Bartok mentioned is a nice optic, I had a look through a buddy of mine. I don't have any time on the Razor 1-6 to compare but I do have lots of time on the 1-10 (which is a fantastic optic) but we're talking orders of magnitude more expensive here, haha. At the end of the day, all optics are compromises, even at the top of the heap (price-wise) and the less expensive LPVOs normally sacrifice most at the top end of the magnification range with regards to clarity, forgiveness of eyebox and at 1x with regards to having a flat image.
hannibal.black98
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No it doesn’t, lol
Hello, I realize this post is a few months old but I just got here and seem to be the first one to reply that uses one ( unless I missed one )
I cannot give comparisons to other ones mentioned and I haven’t been in competitions so its just my experience at the ranges in and out doors.
I quite like it and notice no fish eye, the bit of Christmas tree under the half circle and dot doesn’t seem cluttered and doesn’t distract me but easy to focus on when needed. I mostly use it un-illuminated indoors and about 50/50 outdoors.
Again I am no expert and fairly new to lpvo’s (about a year) so take that as you will.
At about 700$ with the vortex cantilever I am happy with it and to be honest I thought it wouldn’t be as good as it is for under 500$
Hope that helps
