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I have a few questions in regards to the LTATT in BC.

1) Does the LTATT expire when my gun membership expire? Or, does it last 5 years even if my membership expires in one year? I thought the LTATT will become void as soon as membership expire because logically, one would need gun membership proof in order to get an LTATT.

2) Legal issue. Is it illegal to possess a restricted firearm if gun membership expire?

3). Legal issue, again. Is it illegal to posess a restricted firearm with an expired LTATT.
With that being said, RPAL isnt expired, just those mentioned above.

I want to purchase a restricted firearm, but the fact that I need to pay a gun membership fee yearly inorder to keep my LTATT is a turn off.

4) Where is the least expensive place to obtain a gun membership in order to get the damn LTATT? I heard Silvercore is good.

5) Last question, will I encounter any problems when renewing the RPAL, if I obtain/renew a gun membership not in a timely manner? ie. I Obtained a one year gun membership in order to get LTATT, but never since afterwards. And 5 years down the road, I renew/obtain a gun membership again just so I can get a LTATT renewal and RPAL renewal.
 
1. No where on my ltatt does it state my latt is no longer valid if I have no membership. I too am in bc. I havent had a membership in 2 years and have had no issues they even reissued mine twice when I moved with updated addresses. I also just puchased a new restricted a few weeks ago. Other provinces seem to treat this issue differently.

2. As far as I know is nothing illegal about owning a restriced without a membership as collector status doesnt require a gun membership. Also they just registered a restricted for me without a membership.

3. That is a tough one im not sure. my latt expires when my rpal expires so I think it would only be illegal if you had no rpal.

4. Silvercore is the cheapest I know of.

5. I haven't had to deal with this but I wouldnt think you would have any issues
 
dyims said:
I have a few questions in regards to the LTATT in BC.

1) Does the LTATT expire when my gun membership expire? Or, does it last 5 years even if my membership expires in one year? I thought the LTATT will become void as soon as membership expire because logically, one would need gun membership proof in order to get an LTATT. NO it is good until your Rpal expires in most cases some exceptions may be issued by the CFO

2) Legal issue. Is it illegal to possess a restricted firearm if gun membership expire? NO you may posses(at your residence in safe storage) restricted or prohibited as long as your Pal supports such classes of firearms. You may transport to and from legal gunclubs(legal for shooting handguns) and border crossings in your home province unless stated otherwise on your LTATT

3). Legal issue, again. Is it illegal to posess a restricted firearm with an expired LTATT.
With that being said, RPAL isnt expired, just those mentioned above. NO see above

I want to purchase a restricted firearm, but the fact that I need to pay a gun membership fee yearly inorder to keep my LTATT is a turn off.

4) Where is the least expensive place to obtain a gun membership in order to get the damn LTATT? I heard Silvercore is good.Join a club local to you that you will shoot at not just the cheapest one

5) Last question, will I encounter any problems when renewing the RPAL, if I obtain/renew a gun membership not in a timely manner? ie. I Obtained a one year gun membership in order to get LTATT, but never since afterwards. And 5 years down the road, I renew/obtain a gun membership again just so I can get a LTATT renewal and RPAL renewal.
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You need a valid membership to get a LTATT. RPALS are a pain to renew at the best of times so it is likely it will take a while regardless of if you maintained a membership or not A LTATT will not allow you to carry a gun for craps and giggles if that is what you are thinking . Which news agency did you say you worked for ?
 
tdk213 said:
1. No where on my ltatt does it state my latt is no longer valid if I have no membership. I too am in bc. I havent had a membership in 2 years and have had no issues they even reissued mine twice when I moved with updated addresses. I also just puchased a new restricted a few weeks ago. Other provinces seem to treat this issue differently.

2. As far as I know is nothing illegal about owning a restriced without a membership as collector status doesnt require a gun membership. Also they just registered a restricted for me without a membership.

3. That is a tough one im not sure. my latt expires when my rpal expires so I think it would only be illegal if you had no rpal.

4. Silvercore is the cheapest I know of.

5. I haven't had to deal with this but I wouldnt think you would have any issues
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Well, I dont want to become a collector status causevthen the police will have the right to come knocking on my door for a search whenever they feel like.

I spoke with the lady on the CFC phone line and she said it is illegal to possess a res firearm without a ltatt. So , I question her and said how is it illegal if I have an RPAL. It is a POSSESSIOn licence, and a Ltatt is only for AUTHORIZE transportation, so how am I breaking the law if I dont transport it then? So, she was in silence for awhile then came up with a whole buncha crap that doesnt even makes sense.

Correct me if Im wrong guys, but dont you find it weird that it is illegal to possess a res firearm w/o a LTATT or a gun membership.

Funny law we have here...
 
The nice folks working at the CFC don't always know the law or regulations, and you cannot use their "word" for any purpose either - you have to get stuff in writing from them if you are concerned about legal matters. And they won't give you anything in writing, so...

You don't require a LTATT to possess a restricted firearm. You require an R-PAL. You require a LTATT to TRANSPORT a firearm. You don't "fall" into collector status - you have to check that box on the form (e.g. apply for collector status).

So, it isn't "illegal" to possess a res firearm w/o a LTATT or club membership.

As for requiring club membership in order to get a LTATT - there is no law that specifies that. It is a policy/regulation that the CFOs dreamt up themselves. It has no force of law. They just won't give you the LTATT unless you prove your gun club membership. Yes, that is a bit circular, and a "gotcha" but that is still the actual state of things - laws vs. policies.

Also, in BC there is no mechanism for the CFO to know the status of your club membership, other than when you are applying for a LTATT. The clubs certainly don't report club memberships to the CFO - they just give you proof of membership. So, the BC CFO won't know whether you were a club member or not during your valid LTATT period.

Be aware though that the text of the BC LTATT says:
"The holder must be a member in good standing of an approved shooting club or, the guest of a member of an approved shooting club."

That suggests that in BC the LTATT is invalid if you aren't a member or guest of a member. That only says you aren't supposed to TRANSPORT your restricted. Again, it doesn't impact on OWNERSHIP.

There is nothing in the law or even the policies to suggest that you cannot suspend your hobby - e.g. you have a pistol, club membership in order to shoot it, and an LTATT to get it to the range, but this year you decided not to go shooting. Maybe next year. NOTHING precludes you from making this choice. Just keep your R-PAL current, or forfeit your restricted property.

Best Regards, Geraldo
 
Ok... I m going to send this link to Silvercore since they, too, have said that it is illegal to possess a restricted firearms in BC without a gun membership/ LTATT.


@Geraldo,

What you said made perfect sense to me. Logical and reasonable.
 
Are you trying to acquire a first restricted ? In most cases they do not want to initiate a transfer if you do not have an active membership or LTATT . Ie . you don't want to be a collector but you don't want to shoot at a club either, relying on guest passes is a little hokey and if you want a pistol collection without shooting just declare yourself as a collector and deal with the hurdles that come up.
 
LTATT online pdf application

I am currently trying to renew my LTATT. The links I can find on the RCMP website to pdf form 686 are not working. Does anyone have this saved, or a different link I could use?
Thanks
 
andrew3081 said:
Why not pay for gun club membership?
You can only use your restricted on gun ranges.
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Well, what if one decides to "take a year" off from shooting? They just can't decide that an LTATT is automatically invalid on such grounds you know. It is on unreasonable grounds that he/she is required to renew their gun club each year in order to maintain their LTATT, and with the current policy, one is supposed to forfeit their firearms if there LTATT is invalid. It's like saying, the government will tow your car away if you decide not to buy insurance this year.

Anyways, I spoke to the BC CFO and they that said you do not need to have an up to date gun membership in order to maintain the validity of your LTATT. One only needs to show proof that he/she is in a gun club only upon renewing their LTATT. The LTATT expires when PAL expires regardless of membership expiration date. CFO also said that, they will not go searching for PAL owners to see whether one's membership has expired or not, so in other words, they wouldn't know or care.
 
dyims said:
Well, what if one decides to "take a year" off from shooting? They just can't decide that an LTATT is automatically invalid on such grounds you know. It is on unreasonable grounds that he/she is required to renew their gun club each year in order to maintain their LTATT, and with the current policy, one is supposed to forfeit their firearms if there LTATT is invalid. It's like saying, the government will tow your car away if you decide not to buy insurance this year.

Anyways, I spoke to the BC CFO and they that said you do not need to have an up to date gun membership in order to maintain the validity of your LTATT. One only needs to show proof that he/she is in a gun club only upon renewing their LTATT. The LTATT expires when PAL expires regardless of membership expiration date. CFO also said that, they will not go searching for PAL owners to see whether one's membership has expired or not, so in other words, they wouldn't know or care.
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So, you just answered your own question. If you want to take a year off shooting...don't get the range membership that year.
Also, I am not sure where you live or what shooting range you go to. But if you live in the Vancouver area...most likely you will go to the PCDHFC. And that range is very crowded so being a member helps because you can start before they open the range to the public.

But I understand some people can not go to the shooting range often, but if you shoot more than 5 times a year, it is worth it to get a membership at a local gun club.
 
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