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Below is a post from a thread on Weatherby rifles.Is this guy just lucky to have three factory rifles that consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups at 200 yards,is he some accuracy magician,or is his claim B.S.?

I have a 243 ULW, a 7mm-08 SPM, and 338-06 SBGM All of them are pretty much the same thing.

I don't get it when people say they don't shoot well. My 7mm-08 will no joke consistently put 140BT's inside .50 at 200yrds sometimes better. The 338-06 and 243 are right there with it.
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His response to someones post about custom rifles that shoot better for the same price..

Will that custom your having built cheaper than $1000 shoot inside a half inch at 200yrds? All of mine do, bone stock factory with handloads though, although never shot factory ammo in them.
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Over the last 35 years I have probably owned and/or shot close to 250 different centre-fire rifles. Out of those I have found that maybe 10% will produce 1 MOA after careful development of loads. Another 10% or so would shoot around MOA after "tweaking" the bedding and trigger. Out of all the rifle I have owned only 1 - a BOSS equipped M-70- shot an honest 1/2 MOA consistently.

Now, 1/4 MOA?? It is possible - but highly unlikely - from a dead-stock production rifle. The odds of achieving the same level of accuracy from 3 separate production rifles without culling thousands during the search is incalculable.
 
Far be it from me to defend the guy, but I have encountered people who through ignorance present ridiculous claims. For example, you can't choose the best three shots from a 10 shot string and call that a group with all the rest "flyers".

Then there are the guys who claim to "get" 2400 fps with a 350gr bullet in a 444 Marlin - that's just a plain lie.
 
Moa

'Boo said:
Over the last 35 years I have probably owned and/or shot close to 250 different centre-fire rifles. Out of those I have found that maybe 10% will produce 1 MOA after careful development of loads. Another 10% or so would shoot around MOA after "tweaking" the bedding and trigger. Out of all the rifle I have owned only 1 - a BOSS equipped M-70- shot an honest 1/2 MOA consistently.

Now, 1/4 MOA?? It is possible - but highly unlikely - from a dead-stock production rifle. The odds of achieving the same level of accuracy from 3 separate production rifles without culling thousands during the search is incalculable.
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Boo, I think this is the best reply I have ever seen on these threads regarding accuracy of rifles!!
Until CGN came along, an honest, one inch 5 shot group at 100 yards was a thing of beauty, and something to brag about. I have heard the following story. Years ago Ellwood Epps had a 100 yard range in their store, with a good rest available. The story, which I think was true, was that they had quite a good prize, standing offer, for anyone who could take their own rifle and make a 1 inch, 5 shot group at the 100 yards.
Now, on these threads everybody and his brothers and cousins are making sub MOA "groups," and sometimes half of that, or better! I even read one where he said the best his rifle would do was 1 to 1¼ inches, and he was asking what he could do to improve its accuracy!!!
 
The story, which I think was true, was that they had quite a good prize, standing offer, for anyone who could take their own rifle and make a 1 inch, 5 shot group at the 100 yards.
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What were the stipulations?I know for a fact that I could easily do that well off a benchrest with most if not all of my current rifles.
 
I bet you don't even own a rifle!!
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Actually my inventory is getting low.

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Stubblejumpers guns will do that, at least the 7mm STW's and the 300 ultramags. I would take that challenge with a few of mine, but not all.

I suspect the weatherby guy doesn't really know how to measure a group. I've owned four guns that over 20-30 groups averaged under an inch.

One was a stock 260 rem 700 mountain rifle LSS, a 7mm mag Sako 75, a Sako A1 223 and a semicustom Rembo special 25-284. The only one of those that remotely approaches a target rifle is the 25-284, the guns I hunt with now will do 1.5 all the time and sometimes under.
I've never really owned a heavy barrel target gun, but there are lots of those with the right shooter here in Ft Mc that will do it.
I can think of at least 4-5 guys without trying too hard and stubble is one of them
 
Pretty much every new rifle I've bought will do 1" , 5rd groups at 100 yards if I am running great. Some have required a little load development, some have done it with factory ammo. About a doz. Rem 700's(in 223 - 300win), a 788(not new) couple of Sako's and a Tikka.

A few of my rimfires did as well once I figured out what they like. Conditions had to be perfect.
I do shoot a fair bit. (CZ, Walther, Sako)

My worst 'New' rifle. A m700 in a 300 wby mag still consistantly shot 1.5" groups at 100. I think the recoil and blast I found degraded my shooting.

Interestingly, my collection looks very similar to "Stubblejumpers".
 
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stublejumper...that's a nice display of 700's..looks like you have a theme going:)

Most of my rifles won't shoot much under an inch consistently. And the ones I've built are no better than the factory jobs I have...except maybe a certain 25-284 that I no longer own..:(..and a couple 35 Whelens that shot way better than they had any right to....

as for the 1/2 MOA Weatherbys...I don't believe it for a minute..If I happened onto one factory rifle that shot a half inch out of the box, let alone three of them I'd run right out a buy $500 in lottery tickets instead of another rifle...:D
 
HAHAHHHAHAHHHA..(choke..choke)..HAHAHHAHHAHH

A Weatherby that shoots 1/4 moa, that's a treat:rolleyes:. The most accurate factory rifles I have ever seen did 3/4 moa very consistently, and had enough itty-bitty groups to be impressive. One was my very first rifle, a Rem 700 SS BDL in 270 Winchester. That rifle shot very well, and consistently made 5 shot groups from 3/8 to 3/4" with 130gr Sierra Gamekings and nearly that good with Nosler Accubonds. I put so much H4831sc down that barrel, it got to the point that I couldn't get close to the lands before I re-barreled it. That barrel went to heaven sub-moa. The other one was a Tikka M595 in .243 Winchester, owned by Tango Kilo. That rifle was freaking amazing right out of the box. It started with 85gr Gamekings and shot .5 MOA at 100 from the get go. Then it did the same with 85gr TSXs too. He sold that rifle like a dummy (ya, I said it). Of course there where some smaller groups, and much larger, but the norm was itty-bitty. Other than those rifles, I haven't seen too many sub MOA factory rifles except the odd Sako or Tikka. And we were talking 5 shots here of course.
 
stublejumper...that's a nice display of 700's..looks like you have a theme going
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Due to my vision problems over the past year or so,I have cut back my inventory even further than the picture shows.I very recently sold both 300ultramags,and will now be hunting exclusively with the two 7mmstw rifles.If the vision issues are not revolved by next summer,everything else will likely be for sale.
 
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