LVE (aka WOLF) 7.62X54R 200gr Ammo SITREP?

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Time to hear your opinions... :sniper:

I am very curious to hear what you think of this ammo. A 200gr pill is pretty heavy medicine.
What are your sight settings like at 200m?

Average Muzzle Velocity
M44 - 2235 fps (+/- 45 fps)
M91/30 - 2353 fps (+/- 53 fps)

M44
The red line is the path of the bullet fired from the rifle with the sights zeroed at 200 yards.
The blue line is the the bullet drop in inches for the distance traveled.

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M91/30
The red line is the path of the bullet fired from the rifle with the sights zeroed at 200 yards.
The blue line is the the bullet drop in inches for the distance traveled.

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A Nagant with this ammo might be a an affordable bear defense combination.

Does this ammo shoot? I'd love to see some targets and groupings.
Before I saw these charts I figured this bullet should clock around 2350 fps from a long barrel (if loaded to capacity).

This ammo opens doors for the nagant if the ammo is any good. Are these projectiles .312" dia? I think this might be a good opportunity for another riflechair range review. All I need is some of this LVE ammo.

As Spock might say "Interesting"

Russian made, Brass Wash, Non- corrosive

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I used it hunting this fall. I hit a whitetail on a full run. Hit it in the spine and just about tore it in half. This same ammo on better shots, it expands properly in a chest cavity shot and at the range, has slightly tighter groups than does the MFS ammo of same weight and soft point.

I sight mine in for zero at 200, which pretty much reflects the graph for the 91/30. However, both hunting shots I made were in the bush at 60 and 70 yards. So I have no accurate comments to make on its performance at better distances.

The actual ammo is less than half cost of similar North American hunting bullets of the same class, even after I pay for shipping. These bullets are available in .308 and 30.06 soft points, but have also not had the opportunity to try them as of yet. These bullet do not have re-loadable cases, but at teh same time, I cannot load good hunting ammo for the same cost of these bullets. I will use these bullets again when I run out.
 
sergey96 said:
This one is none reloadable . One minus
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Its a small minus. It shoots good and is not more expensive than cost of reloading, not to mention there is no time investment. Its costs me 60 or 70 cents to load a soft point for x54R, but to purchase and ship 200 rounds of LVE is about 150 bucks. Total cost of decent Russian hunting soft points is 70 cents per round.

I've not measured the diameter of the LVE soft points, but the one advantage of loading is that you can load .312 diameter bullets for good shooting in more worn barrels. Actually, I find .312 shoots better in any Mosin.


Its not home loads, but its good hunting ammo. It performs well for under a buck a round. I can't say the same for commercial American ammunition.
 
Riflechair said:
Are these projectiles .312" dia? I think this might be a good opportunity for another riflechair range review. All I need is some of this LVE ammo.
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THe LVE bullets are .310 diameter. Just measured them now in the shop. Come to Edmonton, I'll give you a box. However shipping was not much coming from Westrifle to Edmonton. I don't imagine it would be too bad to Terrace.
 
fiddler said:
THe LVE bullets are .310 diameter. Just measured them now in the shop. Come to Edmonton, I'll give you a box. However shipping was not much coming from Westrifle to Edmonton. I don't imagine it would be too bad to Terrace.
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That's too bad. I betcha the Russian lawyers had an influence on that decision. Regardless, if this ammo shoots well then there is little discussion. Question is - Does it shoot sufficiently well? Crap ammo does not interest me in the slightest. Been there done that. If it can't hold a 4" group at 100m then I'll stick with reloading my own. I can put 10 rounds inside of 3" at 100m in the prone unsupported position with my CNo4Mk1 and Mk 8Z Ball ammo. A Mosin should be able to do at least the same.
 
What drives me absolutely crazy is when you see the Americans buying the exact same 7.62x54r spam cans of 440 rounds surplus for $80.00

I mean seriously, it's the exact same product, it comes from the same country which is the same distance away yet we pay twice the price and thank the vendors for bringing it in. People could argue that it's economies of scale but I just do not buy that argument, this country completely gobbled up the 7.62x39 surplus like it was crack because we're awash in SKS rifles. We have $100.00 Mosins and if surplus were priced properly the volume this country could produce would be enough for one distributor to place orders the same size as the american ones.

I'm glad to see this Wolf ammo come in at a non-retarded price. $115.00 / 200 is cheaper than the MFS stuff and is a good alternative to corrosive surplus for people using SVT40's
 
Rocket Surgery said:
What drives me absolutely crazy is when you see the Americans buying the exact same 7.62x54r spam cans of 440 rounds surplus for $80.00

I mean seriously, it's the exact same product, it comes from the same country which is the same distance away yet we pay twice the price and thank the vendors for bringing it in. People could argue that it's economies of scale but I just do not buy that argument, this country completely gobbled up the 7.62x39 surplus like it was crack because we're awash in SKS rifles. We have $100.00 Mosins and if surplus were priced properly the volume this country could produce would be enough for one distributor to place orders the same size as the american ones.
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Somebody get this man a soapbox, so all can here his message. I totally agree with you.

Riflechair said:
That's too bad. I betcha the Russian lawyers had an influence on that decision. Regardless, if this ammo shoots well then there is little discussion. Question is - Does it shoot sufficiently well? Crap ammo does not interest me in the slightest. Been there done that. If it can't hold a 4" group at 100m then I'll stick with reloading my own. I can put 10 rounds inside of 3" at 100m in the prone unsupported position with my CNo4Mk1 and Mk 8Z Ball ammo. A Mosin should be able to do at least the same.
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I hope you mean MK 7z. The Mk 8z was designed for use in the Vickers machine gun. It uses a more powder and as such it has a higher muzzle velocity, significantly higher pressure. Also, because it is boat-tailed, it has a channeling effect on the gases and causes significant bore errosion.
 
Cdn303 said:
I hope you mean MK 7z. The Mk 8z was designed for use in the Vickers machine gun. It uses a more powder and as such it has a higher muzzle velocity, significantly higher pressure. Also, because it is boat-tailed, it has a channeling effect on the gases and causes significant bore errosion.
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Nope 8Z
I think you're referring to Mk7 ammo which runs much hotter due to the use of cordite - where as 8Z uses a nitrocelulose powder. Mk7 is known to cause throat errosion issues. I've clocked our IVI 175gr Mk8Z at about 2335 fps.
 
1.) We'd *all* love cheaper 7.62x54r - and I think we can all agree that the 7.62x39 has literally been gobbled up so fast that prices increased 50 bucks a crate in half a year. I'm positive cheap 7.62x54r isn't going to sit on the shelf gather dust.

2.) Let's get some reviews of westrifles LVE ammo going! What's the bullets measurement? .309, .310, .311? I think someone may have posted that, but I can't see it now (on a phone, typing).
 
I've still got a bunch of that Hungarian 174 gr ball. VERY HOT! Every round is a split neck and bolts are very sticky when extracting. My intention is to pull the bullets and measure the powder charges. Start 20% under and work back up. I've got some privi cases I intend to use. Plus I really don't like the corrosive primers anyways.

I'm strapped for cash - So that 200gr ammo will have to wait for a review. In the new year if there is any left I'll try it, write an ammunition review and post it on my blog.
 
Rocket I know you are not talking directly to me but I'd like to answer why it is more expensive in Canada.
1. I am placing an order for one container of Russian Surplus at a time.
Cost of shipping one Container from Russia to Vancouver is 24 000 dollars :50cal: Now cost of shipping the same container when ordered 5 to USA is only 7000 dollars. 1 container in Canada sells in 3 month and in USA it is 2 weeks. There is purchasing power of 300 000 000 who can own guns and may be 5 million in Canada. Add to that restriction on magazine size and Canadian laws on where you can shoot it compare to USA
In the end it is all supply and demand curve.
It is better for many importers to import to USA then to Canada


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The price P of a product is determined by a balance between production at each price (supply S) and the desires of those with purchasing power (USA is so much greater) at each price (demand D). The diagram shows a positive shift in demand from D1 to D2, resulting in an increase in price (P) and quantity sold (Q) of the product.

Rocket Surgery said:
What drives me absolutely crazy is when you see the Americans buying the exact same 7.62x54r spam cans of 440 rounds surplus for $80.00

I mean seriously, it's the exact same product, it comes from the same country which is the same distance away yet we pay twice the price and thank the vendors for bringing it in. People could argue that it's economies of scale but I just do not buy that argument, this country completely gobbled up the 7.62x39 surplus like it was crack because we're awash in SKS rifles. We have $100.00 Mosins and if surplus were priced properly the volume this country could produce would be enough for one distributor to place orders the same size as the american ones.

I'm glad to see this Wolf ammo come in at a non-retarded price. $115.00 / 200 is cheaper than the MFS stuff and is a good alternative to corrosive surplus for people using SVT40's
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1951 Hungarian Surplus
Advertized at Milarm in 2003 as Hungarian 174gr Heavy Ball

Yellow Tipped
Cases marked
21 (I believe this is the Country of manufacture)
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51 (Year of production)

This stuff was being sold around 2003 through Milarm
My measurements of a limited sample indicates:

183.6gr FMJBT - .3105" diameter
47.4gr of an extruded powder


According to 7.62X54R.net this stuff is moving at 2710 fps +/- 24 fps. That's pretty fast - almost .30-06 territory. Lots of split necks and sticky bolts when trying to extract. A bit hot IMHO. I think 2550 fps sounds a bit more reasonable to me.

So much for Milarm's attention to detail H:S:
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I just discovered that this powder pic makes for a great desktop back ground too :)
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Sorry my bad
I meant range reports available yet?
I'm curious to know where the point of impact might be in relation to point of aim.
 
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