Lyman Deerstalker,.50cal percussion

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Does anyone have any experience with one of these?
I've been doing some research on a shorter sidelock for my Son and I to use for hunting,something a little shorter than my Pedersoli "Frontier" which is
55 1/8".
The Deerstalker seems to fit the category for both size and price or is there another sidelock percusion out there? T/C catalog only list their Hawken.
Thankyou for any input,advice or opinion.
Cheers,
 
The T/C Hawken is about the size of the Lyman Trade Rifle. Of all the "hawken clones", IMHO, the best is the Lyman Great Plains. Most accurate build of a real hawken. The T/C Hawken is really a remake of a Trade Rifle that somewhat resembles the hawken pattern.

Real Hawkens were usually 2-key and had all iron hardware, usually with no patchbox on all but the presentation guns which had elaborate engravings on them. The T/C is actually quite short in comparison, is only 1 key, and is completely fitted in brass with a patchbox.

the T/C is also varnished, where the Lyman trade is as well made, costs about 1/3 less, and has an oiled walnut stock. I think the lyman is a better buy.

the Deerstalker is identical to the Lyman Trade Rifle except that it is a couple inches shorter, has a rubber buttpad, iron instead of brass fittings, and has modern rifle type sights. For the small difference in length, I would recommend getting a used T/C or a new Lyman Trade rifle instead. Resale will be better, you'll get more velocity, and the T/C and Lyman trade also come with adjustable sights in addition to the vertical notch sight so you can make them as adjustable as the deerstalker.

True, the Deerstlker comes with a composite ramrod and has a rubber pad, but the recoil isn;t harsh on these at all, and frankly, if i wanted all the newer do-dads on my muzzle stuffer, I'd get an inline. If getting a sidelock, my advice is to consider one of the more traditional models I listed above :) Any youngster over 14 or so should have no problem with a T/C or a Lyman Trade.

Also, the Deerstalked has a faster twist than the T/C or the Lyman Trade and Great Plains guns (except for the Great Plains Hunter) and is more suited to Sabots. I prefer patched roundball, but everyone has their own preference so you can factor that in. The Deerstalker IS a well made and good working gun that likely won't let you down.
 
Owned a Deerstalker Flint gun for a while. Handled like a .30-30 carbine. Nice to carry and very dependable shooter. Percussion model should have the same characteristics.

cheers Darryl
 
canadianbear said:
Have you looked at a used T/C Seneca or Chereoke in 45cal for a younger or smaller shooter. In 45 they would be OK for deer.

Are they hard to come by?? Juanvaldez had a .45cal 'project gun'
for sale which he said had mostly T/C parts,the only problem was that I could by a new/er complete b.p. gun for the price he is asking??
 
FWIW, .45 is considered quite MARGINAL for deer. Most people prefer at least .50, and .54 is better. .58 hollow based conicals in an Enfield carbine or Remington 1863 clone is ULTIMATE.

If you plan to use round ball I cannot in good conscience recommend a .45 cal.

These guns don't kick much, and caliber really doesn't increase recoil a great deal for Black Powder, but with the bigger ball, the deer WILL feel the difference.
 
The standard Deerstalker has a 24" barrel and is rifled 1 in 48". It shoots round balls just as good as the same rate of twist Trade rifle, and better than most people can shoot with open sights.. My Deerstalker has taken many first place prizes in the 15 years that I have had it. This is the best handling muzzleloader I have ever used. It may not be an accurate reproduction, but is still a traditionaly styled side lock, and a far cry from an inline. I have a far more traditional flint lock, but if the time is short and I need meat, the Deerstalker gets the nod. It is way better than any Tradition's rifle I have seen, and my wife has one.
 
Traditions = CRAP. Period. They (like CVA's) are Spanish made, not Italian or American made like the better muzzle stuffers. They are the bottom of the barrel for fit and finish. They also ARE NOT PROOF FIRED.

Do a google of "Traditions proof fire" and start reading horror stories of injured and maimed shooters :eek:
 
What snowshoe said. It's a good gun, but I'm a tad biased toward the more accurate traditional stuff.

I think the deerstalker and the Lyman Trade are priced competitively, both can be had in 1:48" twist which is a decent compromise rate for either patched round ball or sabot. One is 24" barrel, and I think the trade is 28". Not as long as it sounds since there is no "receiver" like on a bolt gun.

The deerstalker is also available stainless if you don't care at all about traditional looks. (costs a tad more than the blued version).

I definitely recommend the Lyman guns over the T/C's. IMHO they represent a better value per dollar.

Go here to see what's offered.
http://w w w .lymanproducts.com/lymanproducts/rifles.htm
 
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So I will remove "Traditions completely out of the equation" as I was also looking at the 209 Tracker for an in-line m.l. for my Son too.(you have to realize too......my budget is a BIG factor)
Interestingly enough,there are a fair number of CGN's who have never had any problems with Traditions and speak nothing but applause for thier "Spanish" muzzle loaders.
My choice however,will go towards the Lyman Deerstalker as I've made up my mind in that respect,I too,will eventually pick up a Hawken style m.l. that will be either U.S. or Itallian...more to U.S. as they too fit within my budget.
I thank you all for your advice & opinions!!!!!!
 
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lyman all the way!!

Another vote for lymans. I would take a Lyman over a TC any day. The only real plus for the TC column is they are are the 10/22 of muzzleloaders, very easy to get after market barrels and parts. You can buy drop in barrels or locks for them anywhere. I'm bringing in another great plains flinter kit if you decide drop the nipple guns (nipples belong on girls not guns :D ). I will be sellling it in the white or completely finished rust browned, with a way better better fit and finish then a stock lyman.
 
juanvaldez said:
Another vote for lymans. I would take a Lyman over a TC any day. The only real plus for the TC column is they are are the 10/22 of muzzleloaders, very easy to get after market barrels and parts. You can buy drop in barrels or locks for them anywhere. I'm bringing in another great plains flinter kit if you decide drop the nipple guns (nipples belong on girls not guns :D ). I will be sellling it in the white or completely finished rust browned, with a way better better fit and finish then a stock lyman.

Maybe I'll stop by for a coffee on my way to Borden....around the 2nd or 3rd of Sept. and have a look at yer collection? Nipples.....you gotta luv 'em
 
Huntsman said:
Maybe I'll stop by for a coffee on my way to Borden....around the 2nd or 3rd of Sept. and have a look at yer collection? Nipples.....you gotta luv 'em

Ya feel free to stop by...maybe I'll have that TC parts gun built by then. Whatever you decide to buy don't cheap out, as others have said stay away from some of the real junkers. Too bad you aren't into flint guns that would open up a whole bunch of possibilities form the US market. I just bought 2 custom flinters, 1 a new Jackie Brown .54 and another new .50 from a less known builder shipped from the US to here for about the price of 1 custom piece commisioned here in Canada. I'll probably only keep one but it was such a sweet deal for both I had to grab em. I also recently bought a new DGW Tennessee Mountain rifle circa 197?, sat in someones closet for 30 years never fired...for around 400$. Deals on great plains flinters come up all the time. They go for around 300 USD approx 400CDN by the time you get it here but I'm told you can expect to pay upwards of 600 CDN from our CDN distributors so 400$ is pretty good. Another good way to get a gun is to check Ebay for stock listings...do a search for hawken and hawkin. Lots of people get around the ebay gun thing by selling the barrel separate from the rest of the gun. I have bought stocks complete with lock and everything but the barrel for a little over 100$. Barrels anywhere from 50-100$. If you go with TC stuff the barrels are drop in so very easy to piece a gun together from parts
 
Huntsman said:
Maybe I'll stop by for a coffee on my way to Borden....around the 2nd or 3rd of Sept. and have a look at yer collection? Nipples.....you gotta luv 'em


You guy's said "nipples"!
 
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