I own a early M-1 carbine with no Bayonet lug, flat bolt, push button safety and a funny blade sight offset on the receiver ring. The info I have red on this is spotty at best. Just how rare it it. Does anyone know how many were made? Have no idea what it is worth..
M-1 Carb, early flat bolt
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Sounds like a West German Police carbine
based on the description of the rear sight. The occupying US Army turned over M-1 carbines to various police forces in Germany after the war. Most, but not all, were retrofitted with a Mauser style rear sight, that was siliver soldered to the receiver ring. The original dovetail was then filled in with a machined filler piece, then grooved across the top to prevent glare.
These police carbines all missed the the post war USGI rebuilding program, as they were in Germany. Hence, you wont ever see one with any post war rebuild items installed, unless a owner here added them on.
They are usually all matching, or very close. Most had the USGI stocks and handguards replaced with beech replacements during the 1950's.
The flat bolt BTW, should be blued. If its been parked, it means its been through a rebuilder at a US arsenal, or might be a post war replacment part.
I have no idea what Bavarian's (as some call them) are worth these days.
When I get them, I like to remove the blade sight, machine out the replacment filler piece on the dovetail, install a USGI rear sight and repark the lot. After adding a USGI walnut stock and handguard I then have a WW2 spec carbine, or what appears very close to one.
Some folks consider the German police carbine collectable in thier own right, and thats cool too.
HTH
based on the description of the rear sight. The occupying US Army turned over M-1 carbines to various police forces in Germany after the war. Most, but not all, were retrofitted with a Mauser style rear sight, that was siliver soldered to the receiver ring. The original dovetail was then filled in with a machined filler piece, then grooved across the top to prevent glare.
These police carbines all missed the the post war USGI rebuilding program, as they were in Germany. Hence, you wont ever see one with any post war rebuild items installed, unless a owner here added them on.
They are usually all matching, or very close. Most had the USGI stocks and handguards replaced with beech replacements during the 1950's.
The flat bolt BTW, should be blued. If its been parked, it means its been through a rebuilder at a US arsenal, or might be a post war replacment part.
I have no idea what Bavarian's (as some call them) are worth these days.
When I get them, I like to remove the blade sight, machine out the replacment filler piece on the dovetail, install a USGI rear sight and repark the lot. After adding a USGI walnut stock and handguard I then have a WW2 spec carbine, or what appears very close to one.
Some folks consider the German police carbine collectable in thier own right, and thats cool too.
HTH
Which type of safety is the earlier one, push button or switch?
Sorry to highjack this thread, I'll ask two more questions then shut up.
So my carbine is marked Inland Div, has a flat bolt, no bayo lug, and a two poition flip sight. I am not up on these at all, but it does have a place in my WWII collection. Maybe I got soaked, I paid $800 twenty years ago, at that time it was mint and looked unfired. Somebody commented that it was all original early production with a 'pot belly' stock. Serial number 3069###. It came with a switch safety installed but a push button one came loose with it. Perhaps a previous owner changed it for the very reason you mentioned. Would push button be correct?
All I have is the button, nothing else. I have never had the trigger group apart. So is it a straight forward change out?
very easy to change
remove trigger group use op rod to push out hammer and trigger sear pin watch hammer spring dont lose sear spring
before notice how everything fits
while it is apart record all parts markings
turn it up side down
use the recoil spring guide in the hole just behind the magazine release is a pin/detent
use the rod on the pins shoulder draw the pin away from the mag release (keep finger over mag release so it does not fly away)
remove mag release remove the pin you pushed back safty now comes out
reassemble in reverse
use the op rod spring guide to reinstall all parts esp the trigger/sear and hammer pins ( its used to line everything up then insert pins)
use it to compress and install the hammer spring/guide while in trigger group thats why the hammer has the slot(s) on the one side
the trigger spring cab be a PITA but you can do it without the special tool
remove trigger group use op rod to push out hammer and trigger sear pin watch hammer spring dont lose sear spring
before notice how everything fits
while it is apart record all parts markings
turn it up side down
use the recoil spring guide in the hole just behind the magazine release is a pin/detent
use the rod on the pins shoulder draw the pin away from the mag release (keep finger over mag release so it does not fly away)
remove mag release remove the pin you pushed back safty now comes out
reassemble in reverse
use the op rod spring guide to reinstall all parts esp the trigger/sear and hammer pins ( its used to line everything up then insert pins)
use it to compress and install the hammer spring/guide while in trigger group thats why the hammer has the slot(s) on the one side
the trigger spring cab be a PITA but you can do it without the special tool
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If it was a German police lender, you should find the last four digits of the serial stamped, penciled or scraped into the stock sling well, bolt, back or side of the trigger house, op rod and other places. Some police forces stamped their Carbines, others didn't. The Austrians got some of the M1's as well....
Check out this website for more info to determine if that's what you have. I have a couple of mine on this website.
http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/
If it was a German police lender, you should find the last four digits of the serial stamped, penciled or scraped into the stock sling well, bolt, back or side of the trigger house, op rod and other places. Some police forces stamped their Carbines, others didn't. The Austrians got some of the M1's as well....
Check out this website for more info to determine if that's what you have. I have a couple of mine on this website.
http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/
