M-1 carb. Early West German (photos)

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This Rockola is Flat bolt, push button, no bay lug. Rear site is very odd.
I got some very good info on no picture. Here are pics. Please tell me what it is? I am planning to list for sale in EE when I learn more.

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I want to move this to MilSurp forum... HOW?
 
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The rear sight dovetail has been ground off?,, and a simple notch rear night installed just forward of the bolt?

Found this on the web,,
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Following from the "For Collectors Only" edition of "U.S. M1 CARBINES" by Craig Riesch, published by North Cape Publications (revised, 2nd edition)

"After World War II, the United States, as one of the Occupying Powers in Germany, was responsible for providing community policing in the U.S. Zone. As the United States had no intention of either remaining as an Occupation force in Germany any longer than necessary, or in becoming involved in the day-to-day government of the community, local police forces were established to asume standard policing duties ranging from traffic control to criminal investigation to forestry protection. One of the most extensive of these police forces was the Bavarian Rural Police.

"Bavaria is one of the largest German states and included extensive forested and mountainous regions. The U.S. Army made M1 Carbines available to these local police units, many of which remained in service for more than ten years.

"Many can be identified by the stampings, "BAVARIAN RURAL POLICE", "BAVARIAN FORESTRY SERVICE", "BAVARIAN BORDER POLICE" and "BAVARIAN STATE POLICE" on the receiver. Other carbines were furnished to the federal border guard service, the "BUNDESGRENZSHUTZ". A variety of city and state police marks will also be noted. Most also had their component parts stamped with the last three or four digits of the original receiver serial number, as was standard German practice. Many of the carbines were reblued or refinished in "black oxide" which sometimes appears almost "blue/black' in color, depending on the polish of the metal beneath. On others, the issue rear sight was removed and the dovetail filled with a block of steel which was machined with a series of grooves across the top to prevent glare.

"Occasionally, they were rebarreled with new barrels manufactured by the German firm of ERMA Werke. A non-adjustable rear sight with a "Vee" notch was brazed on the front of the receiver behind the handguard. It provided a sight picture very much like that of the Mauser bolt action rifle, fam- iliar to its new users, many of whom had seen previous police or military service during World War II."
 
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If you check very carefully you'll see that theres actually a blank installed in the original dovetail. Most of them are so well done that it's hard to see, but the dovetail is actually still there.
 
So not to highjack a thread here but am I to understand that all M1 Carbines with this sight was issued to German police forces? I just picked up a carbine with this same rear sight and dovetail insert but there does not seem to be any thing out of the ordinary compared to all my other carbines as far as markings or serial numbers go.
 
Not all of the M-1 carbines were redone as I have a 1943 Inland stamped WB LP which stands for WurttenBerg Landes Polizei. This cabine is original in all respects with the 2 position flipup rear sight, not refinished at all but no oiler or sling. Mine also has the antler [staghorns] stamp on the bottom of the stock which also means something.

khornet
 
Not all of the M-1 carbines were redone as I have a 1943 Inland stamped WB LP which stands for WurttenBerg Landes Polizei. This cabine is original in all respects with the 2 position flipup rear sight, not refinished at all but no oiler or sling. Mine also has the antler [staghorns] stamp on the bottom of the stock which also means something.

khornet

Wurttembergische Landespolizei and the first U is an "Umlaut"
The antlers are part of the coat of arms since the 11th century.
It was an independent kingdom until 1871 and then became a part of the German Empire.

Today the police service still exists and the state is now called Baden-Wurttemberg.
See for the coat of arms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wappen_Deutsches_Reich_-_Königreich_Württemberg.jpg

You may have seen that coat of arms before but never noticed:
http://www.porsche.com/
they are built there, notice the antlers
 
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