M-14 trigger pull weight

Pietro Beretta

Pietro Beretta

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I'm not sure how much the standard Norinco M-14 trigger pull weight is, but I was browsing on Smith Enterprise's web site and I found a very interesting part.

Its an M-14....4.5 pound sniper trigger conversion, going for $125.00 US. Its the whole entire trigger-group that replaces the factory Norinco one. I'm also sure that Wolverine supplies can special order it (Which would probally cost $200.00 CND).

Would this be a good up-grade? I've never really done precision shooting with my M-14 because I dont have my ARMS#18 mount yet, or a scope, but when I do (Very soon) will this be a good upgrade? or is the factory trigger group good enough for precision shooting (300-700 yards).

To all you M-14 sharp-shooterz....what do you think about the standard M-14 trigger group? too heavy? or just right.

Thanks.
 
Pietro Beretta said:
I'm not sure how much the standard Norinco M-14 trigger pull weight is, but I was browsing on Smith Enterprise's web site and I found a very interesting part.

Its an M-14....4.5 pound sniper trigger conversion, going for $125.00 US. Its the whole entire trigger-group that replaces the factory Norinco one. I'm also sure that Wolverine supplies can special order it (Which would probally cost $200.00 CND).

Would this be a good up-grade? I've never really done precision shooting with my M-14 because I dont have my ARMS#18 mount yet, or a scope, but when I do (Very soon) will this be a good upgrade? or is the factory trigger group good enough for precision shooting (300-700 yards).

To all you M-14 sharp-shooterz....what do you think about the standard M-14 trigger group? too heavy? or just right.

Thanks.
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Sorry, you are not getting a whole new trigger.

You have to supply the trigger assembly and the $125.00 U.S. price is to do the conversion.

Right From Smith's Website:

M14 4.5 pound sniper trigger conversion
Requires customer supplied trigger assembly. Includes SEI S-7 trigger and hammer axis pins.
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Then you are going to run into Export permit hassles with shipping your trigger group to and from Smith.

AKAIK, there are no dealers bring Smith Enterprises products into Canada.

I only know of one source at this time.

SKBY.
 
A 4.5 lb trigger job, with no creep, is fairly simple for any competent gunsmith to do with GENUINE M-14 USGI parts .
However,
I would NOT recommend modifying the Norinco hammer or sear ... the quality control and heat treating on these is quite often too inconsistent to waste your gunsmith's expensive time on.

Springfield had offered a "Whitefeather" trigger, which is a complete redesign, and which supposedly can go quite a bit lighter without doubling.
 
That sounds good. I hope my gun smith can do something like that. Althought my M-14 parts are Norinco, I dont see why this method would only work on USGI parts.

I find the M-14 trigger much too heavy for precision shooting (What is it..around 7-10 lbs) My Remington 700P is only 2.5 lbs which I'm use to...not 7-10 lbs.

Has anyone had they M-14 trigger's tuned down?
 
PB: And that is why I'm reminding shooters that if you wanted a light triggered precision rifle then by all means buy a Tikka, Savage, M700 PSS, Stealth, SAKO or whatever. Please save your money (What's in your wallet?) and leave the M14 Nork trigger alone ! Well, just grease up the sear for a smoother pull. Jean C. Garand never intended for his battle rifle to be a precision rifle.

Save your money ! Use the "Hungry Welfare Approach" and merely grease your sear engagement(s). The trigger geometry is too tricky to mess with, on top of the 2 thou (0.002") thick heat treating on the hammer hooks. Don't give your trigger assembly to anybody who can promise you a lighter trigger pull with their Motomaster (Dremel Wannabe) Home Gunsmith Kit.

You may get away with a light trigger group, but once you remove too much metal in this process, you expose the softer metal parts and in time, you are gonna have an Allan Rock special (Full Automatic).

Rant OFF: Just passing on some wisdom to you newer M14 Addicts !

Wanna light trigger ? Install a Jewel or Timney on your Remmy M700 (or Savage, Tikka, Winchester, Sako, etc) which was DESIGNED for that lighter weight.

Please be SAFE !
 
What Hungry said ... especially the part about saving money.

You can buy a complete beater .308 Win Remington 788 or Savage 110C for less than you'd spend on a really good M-14 trigger job with new US GI trigger parts.
AND,
the bone stock beater bolt actions would almost always outshoot any M-14, no matter how much you spend on it for custom this and exoensive that.

BTDT too many times to count ...
[;{)
LAZ 1
 
and the chances of having it go slam-fire are?the trigger group is very tricky to work on, even for experienced smiths-guys with years of experience, not some guy with a dremel
 
What if one were to sandblast the entire group to remove some of the heat treatment crud, smooth out the main engament points with a couple of strokes using a superfine wet stone (would only remove a couple of tenths and not a thou), hot blue it, grease her up and put it back together?
 
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But if one wishes to turn it into a budget tack driver?
Doing what I mensioned is still quite an economical approach.
And by tack driver I meen like 1.5moa.

But is what I mensioned wise?
 
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I actually had a gunsmith tweak the pull on my 305, even though he had his misgivings and warnings due to the crude trigger assembly. I believe he got it down to 3.5or 4 lbs, but it still had creep (like any military trigger) and a rough feeling about halfway through.

Compared to the job he did on my Win Mod 70, going from 6 pounds and travel to a crisp 3 lbs with imperceptible movement and a surprise break, I was quite dissapointed. It was better, but like comparing apples and oranges.

I recommend sticking with the grease on the sear advice, although your sandblast idea might work. At worst, you would ruin a already crappy trigger assembly and could then order a USGI or National Match, which a gunsmith could tune to your liking.

Really, with a good trigger, Rooster Op Rod and a few other goodies you should have a fairly accurate military rifle.
 
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The most reliable tweaks to tighten your box stock M14 ?

# 1 Tighten the gas cylinder ass'y... Most Norks are already pretty tight from the factory

# 2 Rooster33 Op rod spring guide... immediate shrinking of groups

# 3 Glass bed yer barreled action into a fiberglass (USGI or McMillan $$). BURN the wooden factory stock LOL

# 4 Grease your trigger / sear engagement points.. while yer at it.... grease the op rod tracks, bolt raceways, bolt lugs and op rod guide under the barrel

# 5 Feed that baby match ammo and experiment.... Mysticplayer and Navyshooter have had great results doing these ammo tweaks. They achieved INTO 1 MOA groups. INTO means shrinking groups from 1.5" down to 1".... by these tweaks and few $$$$ upgrades.... The welfare method that I advocate !

What's in YOUR wallet ?

Yuk, yuk, yuk,

Barney
 
According to the USAMTU [US Army Marksmanship Training Unit], M14NM rifles shall not have a trigger pull of less than 4.5 pounds. That is for safety reasons inherent in the M1/M14 double-stage triggers. If you go below this figure, you may get yourself into trouble.

I have all my M1/M14 type rifles with 4.5 pound pulls that break crisp and clean like a glass rod. That is what you are looking for. My trigger groups were all done by a USMC armorer who worked for the USMC rifle team. A rifle that has a trigger set up like this is an absolute joy to shoot. Standard-issue USGI triggers go between 5.5 to 8 pounds.

:sniper:
 
Hungry said:
....You may get away with a light trigger group, but once you remove too much metal in this process, you expose the softer metal parts and in time, you are gonna have an Allan Rock special (Full Automatic). ....
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Is there a way to reharden those surfaces? I always order spare trigger and sear whenever I start to work on polishing the original one, but I'd like to have the advantage of having it done my way and still avoid the "allan rock special";)
 
Just throwing this out there (my project is no where near this stage yet),
has anyone checked to see if Questar can jump through their importation hoops and try getting in Fulton Armory parts? FA lists a complete trigger group for $269.95, and their custom shop will do NM trigger jobs for $49.95. Add to that Questars importation fees and it might be worth it to you.
If not that, maybe MasterGunner can give you the contact info for his smith and again, see if Questar can make it happen?
Just some ideas.
 
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