M-14s Accuracy....
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Hello,
The M14 is very accurate right out of the box. Those are the last 3 shots I did with it at 100 yards a while ago when adjusting the scope.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x107/alab308/2007-08-01018.jpg
I used Federal 150 grains Power Shok amo. That brand of amo seems to give me good results.
I have a Boyd's Stock and love it. True that the gun is kind of heavy for hunting but it will always be a keeper.
Thanks
All
The M14 is very accurate right out of the box. Those are the last 3 shots I did with it at 100 yards a while ago when adjusting the scope.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x107/alab308/2007-08-01018.jpg
I used Federal 150 grains Power Shok amo. That brand of amo seems to give me good results.
I have a Boyd's Stock and love it. True that the gun is kind of heavy for hunting but it will always be a keeper.
Thanks
All
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properly locked down, with a 20 round mag, yes- what happens is when you change magazines, you shift the rifle, and that's when the "error" comes into play- if you were to fire it remotely, without you being behind the stock to introduce that human error, it would shoot even tighter group. prove it to yourself ; just look through a scope on high power and see how much the reticule shakes on high power- you can see that on about 18 or so; it's not the scope that's shaking
another kemosabay heard from; there's a REASON the m14 was on top in competition for so many years, and it wasn't because they were all tuned - i've seen a trw drawn out of stores and gone straight to the line, and it grouped 1.5 inches for all 20 rounds; that was the MAN, not the machine- they don't let recruits near the competition rifles
my '07 was 3" with surplus at 100m using 4x scope on a UTG trirail setup. i since have chopped barrel and use a 3x9 on the the same rails and can get 2" consistent groups with cheap winchester 150gr power pts.
which is all i need for me purposes.
which is all i need for me purposes.
Congratulations, you witnessed one above average.
I know there are lots of M14s that can shoot sub MOA, but unless you are lucky they are usually very tuned rigs.
I am not saying they dont exsist. What I said was a good AVERAGE group was 2-4". So if you ordered 10 M305s from marstar today and benched them all, in stock form, the average group would be 2"-4"(and I think I am being generous).
I didn't even mention the shooter.
The reason they have competed so well for so long is the American firearm community LOVES them, tunes them and throws big bucks at them. Not because they are a great accuracy platform. The bedding is finicky, triggers are hard to tune, mounting a scope is a pain..... All this can be overcome but it dosn't just happen.
Dont get me wrong. I have two and love them. But to give someone the impression that all the M305s out there are shooting sub MOA with or without handloads is a little misleading.
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I am a pretty crappy shot (don't get to the range enough) and I can generally get about a six inch pattern with iron sights on a bench rest at 100 yards. I hope to improve this but...
My former-sniper buddy took the same rifle and grouped them less than two inches doing the same thing first time he ever fired my rifle (wish I'd kept the target).
I took out my 2009 yesterday and was able to get a 3 shot group at just under an inch with Hornady 168gr match ammo. The 1st and 3rd shots were touching, the 2nd was what spread the group. My M14 is stock. I'm running a 3-9x Vortex scope on an ARMS #18 mount. I love these guns!
I guess the group actually sits inside 1.25". I was going center to center
. With a little more practice and a new op rod spring guide, who knows.
I guess the group actually sits inside 1.25". I was going center to center
. With a little more practice and a new op rod spring guide, who knows.
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I've been tuning and shooting them for a short while, since about 91, and this is exactly my experience as well. USGI, or Norc.
But, to quote someone who knows mamothly more about it then myself(Glen Zediker):
"The M14 is a more fragile rifle(then the AR-15): if you don't believe so, ask someone to hand you his match m14, grab it by the handguards, and then run like stink after the glue cracks loose."
"Heat and humidity affect the M14"
"Douglas, Hart, Krieger, Schneider, it doesn't matter: everyone's best M14 shoots minute of angle."
These are all quotes talking about priceless masterpieces that cost an order of a magnitude more then a norc. If you can find someone willing to build them for you. All in reference to mechanical performance, and all done without the added fail points of a scope/ mount, and rings.
Don't get me wrong, I love the M14. It has been my primary or backup hunting rifle since the early 90s. The amount of times I've heard people say theirs shoot miraculous groups is frustrating though. I do love the rifle though. If someone wants to show me their sub MOA norc, I would be a very attentive student.
QUOTE ;; Another question I had was about the plastic buffer thingy sitting on the op-rod spring guide. Can that be detrimental to accuracy? With the brake and with all the weight recoil isnt an issue, so I'm contemplating removing it.
Take the buffer out as its not required and not recommended at all.
Take the buffer out as its not required and not recommended at all.
I'm old-fashioned all my rifles are hunting rifles and all of them are sighted in at 25 yards!
As long as I get 1 inch ore better is grate groups at 25 yards ( standing ) I am happy and I know that here in BC I'm good to go hunting.
Who wants to spend all day packing out there kill.
As long as I get 1 inch ore better is grate groups at 25 yards ( standing ) I am happy and I know that here in BC I'm good to go hunting.
Who wants to spend all day packing out there kill.
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Why not.
Rifle in question is a stock 2009 Poly with Sadlak Piston, USGI spring, Sadlak spring guide, Recoil buffer, Arms 18 mount, Redfield 4-12X scope & Harris bi-pod.
Gas system is non-unitized & non-shimmed. Stock is non-bedded.
+6 months of hand load development of over 4000 rounds which cost several thousand dollars.
100 yrd 4 shot group ( I only shoot 2 at a time when going for accuracy)
When measured from edge to edge (which I do) it comes in at .847 in
When measured from center to center it comes in at .597 in
Target alone
Rifle in question
My equation to a sub 1 MOA M14 is: 60% ammo, 30% shooter, 10% rifle.
It can be done
Fire 3 10 rnd back to back groups, and let me know. Maybe yours is.
Large round groups are much better indicators of rifle performance for a variety of reasons.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=279218&page=1
Tactical111 what's your load I've been having trouble getting my rifle to shoot sub 2moa although from the sounds of things it took u a lot of work to get this load guess I need to keep at it. Been playing with IMR 4064 and H4895 and 150 and 155 grain bullets making slow progress.
