M-96?
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Deckard said:
Based on his repeated negative posts, "Deckard" clearly has "issues" with the Robarm M96.
So....Deckard. Would you care to elaborate your concerns in clear, quantifiable terms that the numerous M96 supporters here appear only too happy to repudiate?
Just curious, as a long-term M-96 owner that is VERY happy with his investment...
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Brian46 said:Must be great for overheating then!!
Stainless handles and dissipates heat VERY well, it has a higher heat capacity than aluminum, and doesn't insulate like polymers. I would argue that the M96 is far more adept at continued fire than the SL8.
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it is a bit front heavy. i put two strippers of 10 rounds in the buttstock, wraped in a jaycloth. evens it out perfect, and you allways have some spare ammo.
swiss arms may be around forever...doesnt mean youll be able to get stuff from them ether. with our gov
swiss arms may be around forever...doesnt mean youll be able to get stuff from them ether. with our gov
Who knows how well Robarm will cover there M96 guns when they have the XCR out. Or how long they will keep producing the M96 when it will also be competing against the XCR for sales. Then you never know when they will go under or when the US finally decides no more exports of these kinds of guns.
M96 interested me until I kept reading about the beltfed conversion never coming. Then the caliber conversions turned into bull####. Robarm promises the world to get you to buy, but they never deliver.
M96 interested me until I kept reading about the beltfed conversion never coming. Then the caliber conversions turned into bull####. Robarm promises the world to get you to buy, but they never deliver.
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greentips said:
Good point.
Stainless can "hold more heat" than aluminum (and especially polymers!), and while this may initially seem negative in a knee jerk type reaction, it is actually quite positive. By being able to "hold more heat" stainless and other steels take longer to heat up, as given the same amount of energy input steel's temperature will rise less than aluminum's for a given volume (like a firearm's receiver).
Polymer is another case entirely, and for all objective purposes we can sideline its heat capacity as near nill, thus "insulating" all metal parts contained inside that heat up during firing, preventing them from dissipating their heat as well (like an SL8). This ties into the concepts of heat "sinks" if you're at all familiar with them. Hope I'm not getting too technical here...
As well, conduction ties in here, that is the ability to "pass" heat through a material, like a pot handle. As the pot heats up, energy (heat) is passed molecule to molecule through the metal until reaching the handle, just how much heat reaches the handle and just how fast is conduction. Aluminum is a fantastic heat conductor, but has a low to moderate heat capacity, thus it moves heat and can radiate it well but doesn't "soak up" a ton itself. (Think grabbing an aluminum pot handle, ouch!) Steel is slower to conduct (like a steel pot handle, which will get warm but you can usually grab), but has a greater capacity (or "resevoir" ability with heat). Polymer, well we'll just leave that one alone, it just leaves the heat where it originated and does little else.
There's a reason why they make machine guns (high rate of fire
) out of steel... So while you seem intent on finding one way or another to bash the M96 you chose a particularily odd line of reasoning on this one... Sure stainless can handle more heat than aluminum, that was not the statement. However can stainless handle more heat than steel?? NO. At high rates of fire from the M96 you will likely see you're groupings getting worse and worse along with loosing velocity because of barrel expansion and if you were to continue the barrel will most likely warp, or at the least will loose it's accuracy after it cools. With my SL8 with G36 trigger group installed,firing FA with 30rd mags, and firing 1000 rds within one hour with no failures, melting or cracking and never lost accuracy. I would like to see you're M96 even do 500 rounds in semi whithout a problem.
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Brian46 said:
Stainless is steel; the properties are not changed so much as to create the differences you infer by the 12% chromium in martensitic stainless steels. In general the behave quite similarily to carbon steels, especially when we are simply relating to their use in firearms. And I'd shootout a FA steel framed gun over a FA polymer framed gun anyday... PS, I'm not doubting you, but I'd really like to hear where you are switching to a FA trigger pack in your SL8, where are you from?
