Quality is definitely 10x better then a T81 ;-)
M+M Industries M10x DMR - Non-Restricted 18.6” in 7.62x39mm Canada
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Quality is definitely 10x better then a T81 ;-)
After skimming through the diatribe of negativity in this thread, I would suggest that any of you who ordered an M10X should go to the gun store to pick it up no more than 5 minutes before the store closes so you are the last guy in there when you utter the ultimate fighting words...
"Hi, I'm here to pick up the M10X I ordered."
"Hi, I'm here to pick up the M10X I ordered."
No you're reading correctly, except its 25 yards so more like 22 meters. Also I have small palms, 4 inches diagonal. I was shooting using a 1x optic so no magnifaction holding a 10lb rifle not in competition having fun on a Sunday morning at the range lol. Like I said I would have pushed the distance to my ranges max 50yrds if the sled allowed. Im sure people will be able to shoot better than I can with this rifle. I dont pretend to be able to shoot toonies off a fence at 100m using irons. Im just an average joe enjoying the sport giving an initial range report.
-kozse
I think that the M10X may come closer to singularly bridging the two distinct rifles that you referenced, than you think. It is the "refined" AK/550 hybrid aspect of the M10X that first appealed to me, and what has made me a fan of the concept. I say "may" simply because I do not yet know for sure, not having actually handled and fired the rifle for myself as yet. I will have a firmer opinion on the relative merits of the M10X when I receive my own example this coming week. That said, the concept and specifications are certainly attractive to me - a Non-Restricted 7.62x39mm semi-auto rifle that blends the best of the AK (eg. the magazine & sheet metal Lower Receiver), with the long-stroke piston operating system of the SIG 550 series, housed in an innovative Upper Receiver mating steel wear surfaces with a monolithic aluminum Outer/Upper Receiver that provides an optics and BUIS-ready uninterrupted Picatinny Rail at the 12:00 position. Sure sounds good to me so far. Unlike some, I am able to separate my distaste for the unnecessary drama surrounding the M10X's launch in Canada, from the merits of the rifle itself and the attractive package that it represents. As far as I am concerned, if the rifle delivers on its positive reviews State-side, then it is worth the asking price of $2K to me. YMM (obviously) differ.
As regards the Type 81, my reason for not owning one is simple - I once owned a Norinco Type 56S-2 (or some such nomenclature). It was such a poorly-executed specimen of a side-folder AK that my disappointment was manifest. Having already sampled Norinco "service rifle" quality (or the horrific lack thereof), I had a sneaking suspicion that the T81 would be more of the same. And at the end of the day? I wasn't wrong, not by a long-shot. Say what you want in its defence, but the T81 is a sloppily-executed design that shows its obsolescence in a complete lack of modularity, poor ergonomics (including difficult to use iron sights) and an inability to mount optics. I could go on, but you get the idea. I hated the Norinco Type 56S, and knew intuitively that I would similarly despise the Type 81 for its razor-sharp metal edges, rust-prone salt-bluing and hit-or-miss quality control. As it turns out the T81 was worse than even I had anticipated, with bent Receivers, poor buttstock to Receiver alignment/fitment, and so on. Is it a disposable $1000 bullet hose that works if assembled in correct alignment? Sure is, but such a firearm has no place alongside the other firearms in my collection. Not even as an example of "how not to build a gun"! Call me a "gun snob", I could care less. The T81 is a POS as far as I am concerned and I refuse to spend my hard-earned money on a firearm that I have zero interest in owning. Hopefully that answers your question to your satisfaction. ��
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Well said and with your points above I would say your choice is a more logical one than the M10x.
It was sarcasm, perhaps you didn't get that vibe.
Well, honestly AKs don't give me a hard on, so to me a m10x is just another rifle that shoots x39. I understand we don't look from the same point of view. For example, I don't care that it's R or NR, I wouldn't shoot it other than at a range. I don't care much about the calibre either, I have as much fun plinking with federal 223 as I do plinking with surplus x39.
The one I shot wasn't any better than any 2k$ AR I've ever seen. I would compare to an average sub-1000$ AR. If you shoot surplus with it, it doesn't matter anyway, any well functioning rifle will yield roughly the same result; the accuracy will be limited by the ammos. So there is functionnaly little difference, it's all about the look, and as I said, AKs don't exactly give me a hard-on.
To be sure, it wasn't a bad rifle or anything, just not a 2k$ rifle. In US the price was a lot lower (don't remember how much exactly, but converted to CAD at the then-rate, I think it was closer to 1500$), yet it didn't sell very well, because, as a store employee told me "why not get a real AK instead?" Because we can't in canada, but if we could, I suspect you'd have 50 different AKs before you'd buy a m10x for 2k$.
The one I shot wasn't any better than any 2k$ AR I've ever seen. I would compare to an average sub-1000$ AR. If you shoot surplus with it, it doesn't matter anyway, any well functioning rifle will yield roughly the same result; the accuracy will be limited by the ammos. So there is functionnaly little difference, it's all about the look, and as I said, AKs don't exactly give me a hard-on.
To be sure, it wasn't a bad rifle or anything, just not a 2k$ rifle. In US the price was a lot lower (don't remember how much exactly, but converted to CAD at the then-rate, I think it was closer to 1500$), yet it didn't sell very well, because, as a store employee told me "why not get a real AK instead?" Because we can't in canada, but if we could, I suspect you'd have 50 different AKs before you'd buy a m10x for 2k$.
Great answer - Thanks for your reasoned response. The sub-$2K NR AR makes equal sense if you prefer to plink with 5.56mm. It is more expensive than corrosive 7.62x39mm, but not too far off the climbing cost of the non-corrosive fodder. There are limitations to the 5.56mm where hunting is concerned in most provinces, but if that is not a concern then you have one less reason to go with the 7.62x33mm platform. It is all a matter of balancing perceived needs and wants in terms of calibre and platform. My collection is decidedly heavy on 5.56mm and .308 platforms, with a comparative dearth of 7.62x39mm in the stable. I have 11 ARs of various calibres, but if you take away my prohib Russian AKMS then all I have in 7.62x39mm are a VZ 58 and a Russian SKS. I am not interested in shooting the SKS and refuse to have a Type 81, so the M10X is very appealing to me as a modernized, modular, hybrid design in that particular calibre. It nicely fills a hole within my personal collection at a price-point that I can live with for what you get. That is all there is to it, and YMMV - as it evidently does. Nothing wrong with that, so thanks again for sharing your thought process.
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The nice thing about some of the NR receiver sets is that you aren’t limited to 5.56. You can build one in 7.62x39, too.
Well, I didn't reference them, you did. I still think the M10x is as close to an AKM as night and day. Fit, feel, finish, shoot ability, and impulse are all going to be very different. After all the commonality is what, mags and ammo - Is there more? When it all boils off, these days reasoning for a new gun for me can be as simple as 'fun new blaster', so please don't read into me railing against it, or calling you out on your comparison.
I don't have skin in this M10x game and am definately one with the fence on this one. I'm waiting for some more reports from north of the 49th and hopefully get my grubby mitts on one before/if I dive in.
Thanks for the response.
Quality of the Type 81 is typical of Norinco/Chinese military guns - certainly no suprise there. However, my Type 82 (5.56 chambered type 56) was of acceptable build quality comparable to most Warsaw stuff and was as reliable/robust. Design cues are typical for a late 70s Sino-Soviet service rifle. It represents the Chinese attempt of growth away from and out from under the proverbial wing of Soviet communism - even if it achieved not one iota of improvement on the rifles it was meant to replace. It maybe a footnote in the evolution of modern service rifles, but still one with some historical significance none the same. I figured one would occupy a spot in the collection, even if grudgingly so, and the reason for my genuine curiosity on your stance on it.
Personally, I think the bad rap the T-81 has received thus far is overblown as is CGN fashion.
They offer about the closest example of a shootable AK copy we Canadians can now legally enjoy - IMHO.
Or 6.5 grendel. That's a more interesting cartridge than either of the plinkers if you want to hunt imho.
Oooh! That hurts.
