M+M M10x FRT 153447

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First. NO irg as they do not deserve to carry those big name products providing zero custom service/warranty work for our Canadian market. They screwed up multiple times hence the sig no sale list.
Second, buy as you want knowing you are dealing with a company throwing every body under the bus upon seeing the chance of making a few bucks. So if I posted something on EE and I got eight interests, do I increase my price ? NO. I go with the first buying who committed at my asking price. There are principles involved.
 
By what I've seen, yeah ... I don't have facebook, but twitter my initial take. [FONT=&quot]. [/FONT]@MM_Industries[FONT=&quot] Still waiting on Canadian MSRP/MAP, reconsidering over your blunders? Play fair now, we're watching closer than you think.

I don't think this hoopla is due to either Canadian parties.
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Hitzy said:
Deleted my 3 posts too and doesn't look like people can post at all now.
That gives you some idea of the kind of douchebag POS the owner is.
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Hitzy said:
Deleted my 3 posts too and doesn't look like people can post at all now.
That gives you some idea of the kind of douchebag POS the owner is.
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Did you get in on the preorder from Wantsall? I didn't but I am sure as fuch not going to go on FB and start spouting off a bunch of sh*t and turn around and totally ruin it for those that did get in on the preorder. Other people observing are gonna be thinking that CDN's are a bunch of whiny b*tches if you guys keep it up eh ! :mad::bangHead:
 
Bartok5 said:
I really don't get all of the sour grapes and holier--than-thou attitudes. So it's OK for SIG to collude against Canadian consumers by trying to shut down IRG undercutting their "special export pricing", but it's not OK for M+M to try to dictate pricing for their foreign sales?!? Last I checked, it was their rifle to do with and price as they please. Don't like the MSRP when it is announced? Fine - don't buy one. I'm sure that if they get too greedy and price too high, the market (or lack thereof) will dictate a correction. But to hope that the business goes bankrupt? Wow, that is some serious spite. How's about boycotting SIG products? Or ďo I detect a double standard of convenience at work here?
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This is more like Knights Armament then SIG. KA were double the price here and there was one sole distributor which is a monopoly. IRG came along and evened the playing field.
Leupold tried something similar stating they would only honor warranty in Canada if the scope was purchased through a Korth retailer, and eventually reversed course as it was a #### move and probably had no legal legs.
We expect to pay more here because we are a small market. We even accept that. We don't accept double the price from US pricing, and thankfully we have companies like Prophet River, IRG, and others that will import things for us at US pricing.
So Micky Mouse can go #### himself. I'll import a restricted unit and rebarrel it for less then $2000, way less.
 
MET said:
Did you get in on the preorder from Wantsall? I didn't but I am sure as fuch not going to go on FB and start spouting off a bunch of sh*t and turn around and totally ruin it for those that did get in on the preorder. Other people observing are gonna be thinking that CDN's are a bunch of whiny b*tches if you guys keep it up eh ! :mad::bangHead:
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Not sure people are trying to ruin the preorder. Seems more so like people are questioning the integrity of the manufacturer and their shady ideas to subsidize a US market slump by jacking their price up here
 
MET said:
Did you get in on the preorder from Wantsall? I didn't but I am sure as fuch not going to go on FB and start spouting off a bunch of sh*t and turn around and totally ruin it for those that did get in on the preorder. Other people observing are gonna be thinking that CDN's are a bunch of whiny b*tches if you guys keep it up eh ! :mad::bangHead:
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Honor and integrity still means something to some of us. The way the Micky Mouse CEO embarrassed Wanstalls was a travesty, and now they seem to be playing Wanstalls and Canam against each other to see who they can screw harder.
Don't forget the price hike and Wanstalls attack was probably due in part of these "price-tards" that went on M&M's FB page saying "JEEZE, $1450? I WOULD HAVE PAID $2000 FOR ONE OF THESE EASILY".
At $1500CAD they would be selling as fast as they could make them and get them here. At $2000 maybe 500-750 people will buy in. At $2400 maybe 100.
Which pricing scenario makes ####head M&M more money since these are ALL STILL HIGHER THEN US RETAIL pricing.
 
How ridiculous is this? CDN's and CGN maybe be judgmental, but in this case discernment matters. I base my life on principals where it means telling Mickey + Moues where to go, based on the statements and behavior I've seen so far. Regardless of price. People thanking Wanstalls and M+M so much over the blunders should go blow their nose, as it's fill in with chit.

I'm glad Wanstalls is able to deliver on the pre-order and hope they're not loosing. I can't stand the statements made by M+M regarding Wanstalls. I can also see why Wantsalls is playing it professional, but man I would be steaming behind the scene. I can't wait to see what Can Amm has to say if it's ever opened up again. Maybe this will be in the dust like their T97 offering. Business changes, I can' stand shady people. Everything I've observed leads me to believe that is what M+M is.

I'll change my mind if proven otherwise, if this was all out of miscommunication and mistake, well, the way M+M has handled it in public statements is despicable.

MET said:
Did you get in on the preorder from Wantsall? I didn't but I am sure as fuch not going to go on FB and start spouting off a bunch of sh*t and turn around and totally ruin it for those that did get in on the preorder. Other people observing are gonna be thinking that CDN's are a bunch of whiny b*tches if you guys keep it up eh ! :mad::bangHead:
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xdmer said:
How ridiculous is this? CDN's and CGN maybe be judgmental, but in this case discernment matters. I base my life on principals where it means telling Mickey + Moues where to go, based on the statements and behavior I've seen so far. Regardless of price. People thanking Wanstalls and M+M so much over the blunders should go blow their nose, as it's fill in with chit.

I'm glad Wanstalls is able to deliver on the pre-order and hope they're not loosing. I can't stand the statements made by M+M regarding Wanstalls. I can also see why Wantsalls is playing it professional, but man I would be steaming behind the scene. I can't wait to see what Can Amm has to say if it's ever opened up again. Maybe this will be in the dust like their T97 offering. Business changes, I can' stand shady people. Everything I've observed leads me to believe that is what M+M is.

I'll change my mind if proven otherwise, if this was all out of miscommunication and mistake, well, the way M+M has handled it in public statements is despicable.
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Some people can be soothed by shiny things and a good story. It's a shame but it's why Trudeau is now r̶u̶n̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ apologizing for our country ;) I completely agree with your points, personally.
 
Yup, this is a big fiasco. I don't know how a business could sell something without a firm written deal and presell on a misunderstanding.

Then to have competitor come along with a cryptic comment about pricing that stopped some of us in our tracks from ordering from WS.

And then to have the manufacturer say they gonna bump the prices here to subsidize sales over there.

I feel like a pawn in a chess game.
 
I said it on the T81. Now I see the same here.

We are being treated like the whipping posts of the firearms world, globally.

Although it will never happen, as a collective group, Canadian Gun Owners can fix this by standing together. We all know how much divide there is amongst the firearms populace.

Definite part is because we are a small market, compared globally, to so many other countries. But what if we did stand together? Really?

If those limited few that got in the pre-order from Wanstalls all cancelled (Like that is going to happen) citing some of the info being released by M+M. Take their refunds. And show a US manufacturer that we won't subsidize firearms for US citizens. Don't let them sell a damn thing here. The pre-order crowd try to do what Wanstalls is doing.

Wanstalls sucking up (possibly a loss) and sticking to the pre-order, because of all the cries of "I have a contract". Why don't the pre-order crowd release those contracts, to tell a manufacturer, and industry, that we just won't continue to be the global firearms market whipping post. Take the road that hurts, just like (I assume) Wanstalls is doing. Reciprocate. Insist on fair price related to exchange/shipping/brokerage/etc., prior to purchase, but then follow through.

I kind of have done exactly that. Out on the T81, no way will I own one now. After all the BS in that whole scenario, no longer will spend my dollar on one. I hesitated on this M10x, partially because of where the price sat (originally), partially because once I decided that I might go for it, the pre-order was closed. Damn glad my money isn't going to that manufacturer. Don't see it happening in the future, either, unless something drastic changes, on their end.

After the fact, I am quite thankful I missed out and dragged my heels. Now I'm just watching how the world turns to see the ultimate outcome of this whole schmozzle.

Too much of the "I want" for that to happen.

I think I'm having flashbacks, if I even think for a second any reality exists in the above thoughts.
 
xdmer said:
I don't think this hoopla is due to either Canadian parties.
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I think the US manufacturers hand was forced to act.


CanAm submitted the rifle, got it approved for Canadian sale and is the Canadian distributor for M+M.

Then Wanstalls offers up the rifle claiming the did "extensive work" with the RCMP to bring it to canada as NR and offer a much lower price than the Canadian distributor was hinting at. Who they are purchasing the rifles from was obviously not M+M given their initial response to having no agreement with Wanstalls.

I can see M+M's Canadian distributor dropping their entire product line if Wanstalls is able to purchase and sell M+M products at a lower price while still making profit if M+M does not offer the same price Canada wide
 
BigRobb said:
They haven't released a price yet have they?
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No they have not.


Us "price pimps" saw CanAm original price for the m10x at 2400$ a year plus ago and everyone was "kosher" with it but as soon as I saw that Wanstalls listed it for a 1000$ less I jumped on it cuz of the price difference.

But people who originally knew the price stated from CanAm was going to be 2400$, then see it posted for 1450$ (which granted not everyone got a chance to par take in the pre order sale) are freaking out saying it's not worth what it is now.

So if no one knew the price could be a 1000$ cheaper a year ago, everyone would have still been happy today paying 2400$??
 
No way would I have or will pay $2400 for that rifle. It is not even close to being worth that price. Not a year ago and especially not today ! They are better alternatives on the market for less money.
 
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