M+M M10x FRT 153447
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ComradeVlad
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Lol^
Same here ...looks like they are going to Jack the price up because they can....don't forget ever at $1450 the preorder dealer was still making money and no freaking way the dealer didn't know the cost before he posted the preorder thread. Such poor taste in my mouth due to the shady practice of M&M. I am out.
PinkyPlinker
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This.
I think at this point this rifle will get no traction up north if it's more than $1500. I'm really disappointed with the shenanigans this manufacturer has cause, dragging down two well known well respected dealers on this forum.
Ditto. There is no way Wanstalls would have a presale at $1450 if they were not quoted a price that would allow it and still make them money. This is a #### up on M+M. Anything over $1500 is not worth it... many other options are available and proven.
Posted this rant in another thread as well. Thought I would post it here too.
The way I am seeing this is that Wanstalls wouldn't offer this for sale without some form of contract with M+M. Wanstalls is reputable. What they had for an agreement is unclear at the moment. There are many things that constitute a contract. But it appears they had some form of one for them to come up with pricing and launch a pre-order. They were sure they were getting them. This assurance must have came from none other than M+M. I'd say Wanstalls was acting in good faith.
Now take a few steps back and remember who did the leg work on this. Can-Am. They wouldn't do the grunt work on this project without securing some form of first rights to either sales or distributorship. There would have been some form of contract between Can-Am and M+M. This would have taken place before Wanstalls came into the picture.
Now back to where we are now. M+M enters into an agreement with Wanstalls giving them rights to sell for them, with total disregard to prior commitments they've made with the guy that did the grunt work, Can-Am. Can-Am catches drift of this and says wait a minute there, you have comments with me.
Now we have two reputable dealers looking at M+M saying guess what guys we have a contract. Can-Am says you have to honor your commitment with us as we established it first. Wanstalls is saying guess what we also have a contract, it's not our fault you f'ed up and beached terms of a prior contract with another dealer, we have a contract, you owe us rifles. Can-Am says we had a contract in place first you must honor ours first.
Now M+M is sitting around trying to figure there way out of the serious s#it hole they just dug themselves into. Oh I know, they say, demand on Wanstalls pre-order was higher than we expected so we will jack prices to make the consumer pay for our f*up. In the meantime let's hope neither Can-Am or Wanstalls sue our a$$ off for breach of contract.
All the while Wanstalls are trying to figure out how they are getting their hands on enough rifles to fulfill the terms of the contract they entered into with all the pre-order guys. Sorry Wanstalls, once the money was accepted a legal binding contract was formed. But I think you know that and will figure out how to do the impossible even if it means you now have to buy the rifles off of Can-Am so you may supply all the guys who you entered into contract with. Oops I almost forgot, you guys are fine because you know that the little guy knows it's not worth it for him to persue it and hold you to the terms of the contract. A simple refund and you're off the hook. The little guy gets shafted. Who'd ever think of that right?
Wow! Things can go south pretty quickly.
Hope it works out for both dealers involved as I don't think this clusterfack was either of their fault. But on the other hand I think M+M has some worring to do. If either of the dealers don't do enough damage to them I'm sure after all this the Canadian consumer will by taking our business elsewhere. Especially if M+M thinks there is opportunity to shaft us with a price increase.
Of course this is all just speculation as I see things currently given the little information we have. This is getting ridiculous. Hopefully we have some concrete answers soon.
Rant over.
The way I am seeing this is that Wanstalls wouldn't offer this for sale without some form of contract with M+M. Wanstalls is reputable. What they had for an agreement is unclear at the moment. There are many things that constitute a contract. But it appears they had some form of one for them to come up with pricing and launch a pre-order. They were sure they were getting them. This assurance must have came from none other than M+M. I'd say Wanstalls was acting in good faith.
Now take a few steps back and remember who did the leg work on this. Can-Am. They wouldn't do the grunt work on this project without securing some form of first rights to either sales or distributorship. There would have been some form of contract between Can-Am and M+M. This would have taken place before Wanstalls came into the picture.
Now back to where we are now. M+M enters into an agreement with Wanstalls giving them rights to sell for them, with total disregard to prior commitments they've made with the guy that did the grunt work, Can-Am. Can-Am catches drift of this and says wait a minute there, you have comments with me.
Now we have two reputable dealers looking at M+M saying guess what guys we have a contract. Can-Am says you have to honor your commitment with us as we established it first. Wanstalls is saying guess what we also have a contract, it's not our fault you f'ed up and beached terms of a prior contract with another dealer, we have a contract, you owe us rifles. Can-Am says we had a contract in place first you must honor ours first.
Now M+M is sitting around trying to figure there way out of the serious s#it hole they just dug themselves into. Oh I know, they say, demand on Wanstalls pre-order was higher than we expected so we will jack prices to make the consumer pay for our f*up. In the meantime let's hope neither Can-Am or Wanstalls sue our a$$ off for breach of contract.
All the while Wanstalls are trying to figure out how they are getting their hands on enough rifles to fulfill the terms of the contract they entered into with all the pre-order guys. Sorry Wanstalls, once the money was accepted a legal binding contract was formed. But I think you know that and will figure out how to do the impossible even if it means you now have to buy the rifles off of Can-Am so you may supply all the guys who you entered into contract with. Oops I almost forgot, you guys are fine because you know that the little guy knows it's not worth it for him to persue it and hold you to the terms of the contract. A simple refund and you're off the hook. The little guy gets shafted. Who'd ever think of that right?
Wow! Things can go south pretty quickly.
Hope it works out for both dealers involved as I don't think this clusterfack was either of their fault. But on the other hand I think M+M has some worring to do. If either of the dealers don't do enough damage to them I'm sure after all this the Canadian consumer will by taking our business elsewhere. Especially if M+M thinks there is opportunity to shaft us with a price increase.
Of course this is all just speculation as I see things currently given the little information we have. This is getting ridiculous. Hopefully we have some concrete answers soon.
Rant over.
I really don't think it's M+M personally... I suspect Wanstalls jumped too quickly to try to lock in sales the moment they found out about the NR FRT, before they had a confirmed deal with M+M. Who knows though, I could be wrong.
#1bcshooter
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I miss the good old days when dealers didn't advertise & sell stuff they don't have ! 
I would have already had an answer from M+M as your business reputation along with Wanstalls is coming into question .
I would not take these or any other shenanigans from M+M.
Not saying you are or have done anything wrong CanAm just looks bad due to other goings on in the cdn market in the past.
This rifle can and should be brought in at a reasonable price for the cdn market.
I say anywhere around the $1500 cdn price point would make this a very viable item .
we are trying to get one
Good cuz CanAm I have done tons of deals with you guys (same as with Wanstalls) and you BOTH are great to deal with but I think all of us Canadians who are looking at buying one should definitely get some hard answers on WTF really went down
Like I said in my post. I am in no way placing blame on you guys (CanAm) .
It just seems to be poor business practices on M+M's part.
Especially because they had enough time to post on FB about "unauthorized " this and that etc earlier today !
I would be pretty upset if it were me in your shoes.
What I have seen in the last four days is a couple of members going from thread to thread to see if different dealers will under cut each other, but unable to get a satisfy answer from any dealers they start inserting their own story lines and throwing accusations of price gouging or other shady dealings, it is the perfect example of trolling I have ever seen.
Not too sure where or when I stated anything that was justifying any price gouging from either dealer other then the fact that I did pre order from Wanstalls and I'll stick by that but if people can't for themselves make phone calls (to dealers who pick up the phone when called) and find out the other sides of the story then I can see where people have speculation surrounding certain things
I miss the good old days when dealers didn't advertise & sell stuff they don't have !
Welcome to the magical land of the internet and virtual stores...
#1bcshooter
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