M&P .45 ACP Vs Glock 21 SF
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I think I speak for everyone but the fanboys when I say "try them both and get the one that fits your hand best."
Although I will say that getting the one that fits your hand best is probably going to mean getting the M&P, since Glock grips suck (I'm on the anti-Glock committee).
Although I will say that getting the one that fits your hand best is probably going to mean getting the M&P, since Glock grips suck (I'm on the anti-Glock committee).
peter2772000
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My M&P is in .40 and is very comfy to hold, nice enuf to shoot. Recoil is tolerable. I wonder how bearable the kick would be if shooting a .45? It is, after all, a tupperware gun.
I dunno why the camps are so divided between Glock owners "and the rest of us"
. Who woke up and decided to beat on Glocks to begin with? Unless it was the Glock owners who instigated this whole discriminatory thing to begin with....
Rats! Hy-jacked yet another one. I should change my username
I dunno why the camps are so divided between Glock owners "and the rest of us"
. Who woke up and decided to beat on Glocks to begin with? Unless it was the Glock owners who instigated this whole discriminatory thing to begin with....Rats! Hy-jacked yet another one. I should change my username
BClineman on this board shoots a S&W M&P in .45acp regularily in IDPA. Recoil is certainly controllable. For what ever reason I found shooting the gun that the trigger was not as nice as my S&W M&P in 9MM but that may well have been just the particular gun.
If you are buying the gun to shoot either IDPA or IPSC then I would think a 9MM for IDPA SSP or IPSC Production might be a better choice. You can also go .40cal and download your cartridges if you reload.
As to the choice of make. Well as others have said try them both. Personally I don't find the Glock grip fits my hand so I went with the S&W but you not find this the case with your hand. Both will give you more felt recoil than a steel gun due to the weight of the gun. Something you might want to consider. 9MM will be cheaper to shoot than .45acp.
Take Care
Bob
If you are buying the gun to shoot either IDPA or IPSC then I would think a 9MM for IDPA SSP or IPSC Production might be a better choice. You can also go .40cal and download your cartridges if you reload.
As to the choice of make. Well as others have said try them both. Personally I don't find the Glock grip fits my hand so I went with the S&W but you not find this the case with your hand. Both will give you more felt recoil than a steel gun due to the weight of the gun. Something you might want to consider. 9MM will be cheaper to shoot than .45acp.
Take Care
Bob
The M&P 45 is a simply beautiful gun to shoot. Far more ergonomic than even the SF versions of the Glock... and I am a Glock fan.
One niggle about the M&P: The mags. A fully loaded M&P 45 mag will not drop free, because it has bulged under spring pressure.
It is a mag made for S&W by Mec-Gar, and Mec Gar is one of those companies: Their sole claim to quality is that everybody else sucks. Mec Gar sucks.
Glock mags work great out of the box, every time, and last very well.
One niggle about the M&P: The mags. A fully loaded M&P 45 mag will not drop free, because it has bulged under spring pressure.
It is a mag made for S&W by Mec-Gar, and Mec Gar is one of those companies: Their sole claim to quality is that everybody else sucks. Mec Gar sucks.
Glock mags work great out of the box, every time, and last very well.
hatman1793
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Tough to beat the G21SF
I think that if you are going to shoot lead, then the M&P might be a better choice initially.
The G21Sf is an outstanding gun, as is the M&P and I very much like both. But, the Glock is the more versatile of the two.
I can obtain a very nice Lone Wolf barrel to shoot lead out of the Glock, plus change out the sights, and perform a trigger job just by replacing a part. The same cannot be said of the M&P. Lets not start on the magazine question.....
I think that if you are going to shoot lead, then the M&P might be a better choice initially.
The G21Sf is an outstanding gun, as is the M&P and I very much like both. But, the Glock is the more versatile of the two.
I can obtain a very nice Lone Wolf barrel to shoot lead out of the Glock, plus change out the sights, and perform a trigger job just by replacing a part. The same cannot be said of the M&P. Lets not start on the magazine question.....
mebiuspower
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I'm going to be creative here.
Get a 1911.
Get a 1911.
Re:Glock mags...just don't try and actually get 10 rounds in, or try and seat a fully loaded mag on a gun with the slide in battery!
It CAN be done, even without the magazine loader. In much the same way that I CAN lift 400 lbs. It's possible, but not pleasant by any means. First time loading the mags, I invented a few new swear words
Re:Glock mags...just don't try and actually get 10 rounds in, or try and seat a fully loaded mag on a gun with the slide in battery!
Use the loader and seat the mag with authority.
Works every time.
x3. Try them both and see which feels best to you.
As for same price range, that could be argueable at the moment. The current S&W deal is very very attractive, and comes with a lifetime warranty. If I could personally justify the M&P45, I'd have had one last week. Hard to do when I backed out of a vacation a couple weeks before because of same justifications.
You should assume that the longer the M&P is around, the more add ons will become available, much like Glock had nothing aftermarket when it was introduced. Already there is a homebrew triggerjob out there, and places doing work on the M&P.
Glock is a great choice too. I've had several and never had any problems.
You can't go wrong either way.
Wow, what a choice to make between two fine handguns.
I have shot both and like both but decided on the M&P 45 simply because it fit and shot better for me as well as the special slae offer and warranty.
Now that I have my M&P 45 my buddy wishes he had bought one instead of his Glock...............he broke under the salesman's pressure to buy a Glock.
I have shot both and like both but decided on the M&P 45 simply because it fit and shot better for me as well as the special slae offer and warranty.
Now that I have my M&P 45 my buddy wishes he had bought one instead of his Glock...............he broke under the salesman's pressure to buy a Glock.
Re:Glock mags...just don't try and actually get 10 rounds in, or try and seat a fully loaded mag on a gun with the slide in battery!
I've never had a problem with the 17,22,19, or 21 regular. I did have a problem with the 30. Does the 21 SF have this problem?
JohnC
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I tried both the Glock in .45 and the M&P in .45 and no question for my hand and the ability to soak up recoil and accuracy ( which may have more to do with my personal ergonomics) the M&P was heads and shoulders above the Glock.- so I promptly bought one.
I had a newbie try mine out just after he'd finished with a Glock in .40 S&W and he put all 10 rounds in the A zone at 20 yards - with the Glock, he was only getting 8 or 9 in the whole target.
I found after a few loadings and leaving the mags loaded a few days that it was a little easier to get the 10th round in. Of course, UPLULA is your friend.
and yes, you need to seat the mags with authority on a closed slide. But I never had any issue with a loaded, unloaded, or partially loaded mag dropping. mind you, I only have 4 so far.
I also got a M&P9 -and the trigger pull is definitely lighter on the 9mm. The accuracy and ergomomics are just as good as on the 45 - with 147gr factory whitebox, it's almost like shooting an open gun, no muzzle climb to speak of. The only thing about this 9mm is it came with a %$#$# magazine safety- so I may put it up for sale and buy one without the magazine safety to compete in IPSC production. (the one with mag safety is also legal in IPSC production, just a PITA to unload & show clear etc)
I had a newbie try mine out just after he'd finished with a Glock in .40 S&W and he put all 10 rounds in the A zone at 20 yards - with the Glock, he was only getting 8 or 9 in the whole target.
I found after a few loadings and leaving the mags loaded a few days that it was a little easier to get the 10th round in. Of course, UPLULA is your friend.
and yes, you need to seat the mags with authority on a closed slide. But I never had any issue with a loaded, unloaded, or partially loaded mag dropping. mind you, I only have 4 so far.
I also got a M&P9 -and the trigger pull is definitely lighter on the 9mm. The accuracy and ergomomics are just as good as on the 45 - with 147gr factory whitebox, it's almost like shooting an open gun, no muzzle climb to speak of. The only thing about this 9mm is it came with a %$#$# magazine safety- so I may put it up for sale and buy one without the magazine safety to compete in IPSC production. (the one with mag safety is also legal in IPSC production, just a PITA to unload & show clear etc)
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For the record, I found the mags went home quite easily int he M&P 45, full mag on a closed slide.
I think S&W really hit the ball out of the park with the M&P. A few years of use int he field will tell us for sure.
I think S&W really hit the ball out of the park with the M&P. A few years of use int he field will tell us for sure.
Actually, I know I commented earlier about glock mags being hard to load, but honestly, the last time I was at the range, only one of four magazines I own, couldn't be loaded fully without the loader. I guess they loosen up with a bit of use. It's a 21sf, and I keep the mags loaded always, and it's easier to load them everytime I do it. They are the Canadian 10 rounders, not american 13/10, which I imagine would load pretty effortlessly.
hatman1793
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A toss-up.
Smith & Wesson has a hit with the M&P series. No question. Excellent design, available in many calibers and is reliable too. Has a conventional lead friendly barrel, and the price is right.
As a 99% lead shooter, a conventional lands and grooves barrel is a must, but that is no problem with the Glock. The very nice people at Lone Wolf make a terrific L&G drop in barrel that solves the problem.
The choice is essentially a toss-up. Both the G21SF and the S&W M&P would be suitable in most applications. The G21SF currently sells for C$699.00, a truly outstanding price. The S&W is not far behind in price.
Smith & Wesson has a hit with the M&P series. No question. Excellent design, available in many calibers and is reliable too. Has a conventional lead friendly barrel, and the price is right.
As a 99% lead shooter, a conventional lands and grooves barrel is a must, but that is no problem with the Glock. The very nice people at Lone Wolf make a terrific L&G drop in barrel that solves the problem.
The choice is essentially a toss-up. Both the G21SF and the S&W M&P would be suitable in most applications. The G21SF currently sells for C$699.00, a truly outstanding price. The S&W is not far behind in price.
