M&P 9mm accuracy.... Picking your brains..

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Ok Folks. I need some input. I took my M&P 9mm and my GSG 1911 22 lr to the range for the first time yesterday. ( Finally got my ATT!) I took out my GSG first using CCI mini mags. I was impressed. Right out of the box I was able to get a 2 to 3 inch grouping at 15 meters.
I then broke out my M&P 9mm using federal eagle 147g fmj. I could not get the accuracy I was hoping for. At 30 meters I was able to get them in a 10 inch target.
Your various input would be appreciated. I have read that the 9mm are hit and miss for accuracy. Also heard various other ways to fix this. Anyone have this issue and fixed this?
And it can very well be that I need to get out and shoot more with the 9mm before I make any judgement calls on the accuracy of this pistol.

thanks in advance

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were you shooting from a rest or offhand?
30m is a really long way to shoot a handgun offhand
If you can keep your shots on a 10" target offhand with a modern 9mm your doing pretty good
I usually shoot at 15m with my Glock 17 and if I can keep all my shots in a 3" circle I'm pretty happy
 
If the gun is brand new keep working it with more ammo. Two of the brand new guns I've bought needed between 100 and 180 rounds to smooth out the barrel or to smooth out how the barrel locks with the slide. Groupings were poor at first then all of a sudden over two or three magazines the size dropped dramatically for both guns. You might have one like the two that I had.

A shooting buddy recently bought a used M&P. We both shot it a bit and found groups were a bit big and off to the left. I figured it was the sights and just an example of the same poor accuracy that I've also seen stories about. We swapped to the smallest grip filler so his wife could try it comfortably. Then he shot it with the small filler and immediately got dead on POI to POA and the group shrunk by about half. I tried it (been shooting longer than him so I tend to get better bullseye style results) and got my usual 1.5 to 2 inches at around 15 yards. Before that and with the medium filler it was giving me 6 to 7 inch groups AND offset to the left.

We're both still confused as to why this could be so. But whatever the dynamics that make it work go ahead and try the smallest filler and see if it works for you as well.
 
For .22's you need to try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo your pistol both shoots well and cycles the action. The cost of the ammo means nothing either. Ditto for a 9mm, any 9mm, if you're not reloading.
Plus a new shooter has to learn how to shoot. There's no such thing as a natural shot. A 9mm isn't a target gun either.
As mentioned, 30 meters isn't a standard hand gun distance. Approximately 98 feet is a long way for any shooter with a handgun. Target matches are done at 21 to 50 feet depending on the course of fire.
 
The MP forum is chalk full of info and miss info. There were some accuracy issues with the first run of the 1:18.75 barrel After SW changed to that twist rate (or at least that's what the forums suggest). If your gun is newer I'd say it's likely you. The MP triggers can take a lot of getting used to. Google MP accuracy issues and you'll find all you need, and more.
 
It's possible that it is gun related, but it is far far more likely shooter related. Striker-fired pistols are MUCH more difficult to shoot accurately than single-action pistols (like your GSG). Before looking for any mechanical issues, you should try shooting someone else's M&P or Glock, or have someone else shoot your M&P.
 
I'm just repeating what some other folks have already mentioned:
1. Try shooting 124gr projectiles.
2. Your GSG is single-action, whereas your MP9 is striker-fired "single-and-a-half-action". You will always get better results from an SA trigger, everything else being equal.
3. 30m is a decent distance for shooting off-hand with a service pistol. Police forces have to qualify at 7m (just for comparison).
4. Try swapping out the pistol backstrap, and see if your groups tighten.

Happy shooting!
 
I'd get a feel for the gun at a closer distance say 5 metres and start to work out from there if you must. At 20 yards I finish off every range visit by putting a full mag into a 6" circle and it is very doable. I have put a lot of rounds through my M&P and I'd say that it is an accurate pistol but most importantly I have shot a lot with it and am dialed in.
 
As folks have said, get closer to start - 7 meters is plenty far enough for a new shooter. Also, the GSG is a 22 cal. 1911 clone - probably the single easiest pistol to shoot, good trigger/no recoil/1911 ergos. The M&P can be very accurate, but it takes time and good fundamentals to develop the skills necessary. Just keep working the fundamentals and over time you'll get there, to get there quicker, consider some professional instruction - because you can't fix what you don't know.
 
Pistol shooting is like skiing. It takes proper instruction followed by diligent practice of what you have been taught.

In my experience it takes proper training, concentrated practice and a few 10's of thousands of rounds over 50 years to get the hang of it.

You might not take quite so long.

Your initial targets look pretty good. Start at a closer distance, concentrate on your sight picture (focus on the front sight) and squeeze. Don't pull the trigger when sights on in right place.

And try different grip panes and different ammo. You might already be good enough to be able to see if a change is for the better or worse.
 
Ganderite said:
Pistol shooting is like skiing. It takes proper instruction followed by diligent practice of what you have been taught.

In my experience it takes proper training, concentrated practice and a few 10's of thousands of rounds over 50 years to get the hang of it.

You might not take quite so long.

Your initial targets look pretty good. Start at a closer distance, concentrate on your sight picture (focus on the front sight) and squeeze. Don't pull the trigger when sights on in right place.

And try different grip panes and different ammo. You might already be good enough to be able to see if a change is for the better or worse.
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I hope not! I haven't got 50 years left! ;-)
 
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