m&p pistols, really that bad?

they are excellent guns, had for for many years, never had an issue.

Triggers out of the box are good, they are just fairly heavy at 8+ pounds *out of the box* (still better then glock triggers OOTB IMO)

Simple job to reduce the pull weight on the stock trigger and its a fantastic gun for the price as the ergonomics are far superior to glocks.
 
As a photographer, all this reminds me of the never ending discussions on the relative merits of Nikon and Canon. They both do the job, they both have their proponents and you usually can't change peoples' minds.
 
TW25B said:
Oh you mean the issue with Gen4 Glocks that was resolved ages ago and wasn't a real issue to begin with. I don't like nor use Gen 4.

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Actually, it was a brand new Gen3 Glock 17.
A quick internet search shows that they still have not fix the BTF issue with Gen4 Glock...
It was a big issue for me as I don't want my face to be burnt by the hot empty brass. Sold the gun afterwards of course.
 
nugunner said:
As a photographer, all this reminds me of the never ending discussions on the relative merits of Nikon and Canon. They both do the job, they both have their proponents and you usually can't change peoples' minds.
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Yep, its a familiar story. :d
 
plus the effective grip angle has just as much to do with the shape and ergonomics of the grip as it does the actual geometry of it, so the diagrams are a bit of an oversimplification of the issue..


edited to add: I suppose what everyone is really talking about is the angle of one's hand in relation to the bore axis while shooting a particular pistol. The term grip angle itself is a really bit of a misnomer...
 
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I agree.
Numbers aside, it's all about a pistols ability to point naturally and function in ones hand. Peoples hands are different and guns will feel different for everyone. Back to the point of the thread; the M&P is a very natural pointer "in my hands". It's proven to be 100% reliable over several thousand rounds of IPSC Production and IDPA use. Highly recommended :)

Edit: I will admit the the slide closing by itself bugs me. I'm always guessing if it stripped a round or not although it's never failed to. I'd rather it didn't do that.
 
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shawn said:
I trusted my life to one. I have no qualms about them

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did you get shot at alot? did you have to fire back ?

if you fire less than 5,000 rounds a year s&w's are fine, if you drop 500 rounds or more per weekend training with the pistol you carry, its glock gen 3's all the way.
 
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Edit: I will admit the the slide closing by itself bugs me. I'm always guessing if it stripped a round or not although it's never failed to. I'd rather it didn't do that.
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I like it, and consider it a useful 'feature' for action shooting. :) (Its also not specific to the M&P by any means).
 
0.5moa said:
did you get shot at alot? did you have to fire back ?

if you fire less than 5,000 rounds a year s&w's are fine, if you drop 500 rounds or more per weekend training with the pistol you carry, its glock gen 3's all the way.
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Oh please, give us the justification for this.

I'm a Glock guy...but I think their ergos blow and lots of guns can play in Glock's league on reliability.
 
0.5moa said:
did you get shot at alot? did you have to fire back ?

if you fire less than 5,000 rounds a year s&w's are fine, if you drop 500 rounds or more per weekend training with the pistol you carry, its glock gen 3's all the way.
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####.. i'm up to 3500 this year on one and i'm using on a 3 day 1600 round course coming up, will it blow up @ 5001?
 
55000 rounds in 7 years. Same barrel, 3 recoil springs, 3 sets of mag springs, 2 sets of followers, 3 strikers - no part was replaced due to failure - still have the strikers and recoil springs just in case. I have a new replacement barrel and an Apex failure resistant extractor - still in the package. No firearm related failures.
 
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glad to hear its worked out well for most. have to confess that new walther 45 has got me interested
 
I bought my M&P .40 range kit earlier this year, and it was the first new handgun that I had bought in many years. I have been shooting handguns since the mid 1970's, so I am not a noob when it comes to handguns. My M&P .40 feels GREAT in my hand. It is one of the nicest to hold pistols that I have shot. Also, my stock trigger is just fine to me, in fact, I like it, so I have no need for an Apex kit.

The range kit came with 3 mags, and I bought 7 more for a total of 10. I loved the gun on my Black Badge course. It was so easy to use compared to the other guns on the course. :)
 
0.5moa said:
did you get shot at alot? did you have to fire back ?

if you fire less than 5,000 rounds a year s&w's are fine, if you drop 500 rounds or more per weekend training with the pistol you carry, its glock gen 3's all the way.
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Just out of curiosity what are you training for?

I fire more than 5,000 rds per year and 500 rounds a week would mean it had rained a lot that week. I still prefer the reliability and shootability of the M&P. As an aside the only two guns I have seen jam up at a Sanctioned match are four Glocks and several 1911's. One of the Glocks broke a spring and the others three were likely limp wristed as they all occurred on the weak side of a wall for right handed shooters. The heavy Glock slide makes limp wristing a jam fairly easy. No fault of the gun but it does happen. All guns wear out over time and are susceptible to breakage including the Glock. Personal preference rules and to say one is better than another is silly. They are both excellent designs for what they are made for. What we can do with them falls to the shooter.

Personally, I think the CZ New Edition is the best looking, ###ist pistol made and the Glock butt ugly but I also realize some guys go for ugly women... too.

Take Care

Bob
 
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