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Reloading on an empty chamber is an emergency reload
M&P tatical reload issue
- Thread starter luckey
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It's not a feature because something happened that wasn't intended. Don't get me wrong, I see how it can be advantageous at times but a feature? S&W doesn't list it as a feature.
P.S. If someone's into action shooting hopefully they're not waiting until slide lock to reload.
That is true if you are shooting IPSC. It is not always true if you are shooting IDPA. In fact it often is the opposite. Reloading from slide lock in IDPA is faster than having to store a partially loaded mag or an empty mag when the gun has a cartridge remaining in the chamber. Different sports..... different rules.
Incidentally, the S&W is not the only gun that will drop the slide if a mag is inserted with force. Too, I do agree using the slide stop/release lever is almost if not just as fast as having the slide release upon impact of the mag.
Take Care
Bob
One of the rules of IDPA is you are not allowed to leave ammunition behind ie dropping a partially loaded mag on the ground or a empty mag on the ground when there is a round in the chamber. If you decide to do a reload while you have some rounds remaining in your mag or your gun still has a round in the chamber you must retain the mag. The exception being if you are clearing a jam. The reload with retention is slower than an Emergency or slide lock reload. The only time I will consider doing a reload with retention occurs when there is some distance between shooting positions and even then there may not be an advantage. Another issue that may come into play would be how much ammunition I have remaining. We are also allowed to "dump? rounds into a target now.
Depending on the stage, when I start with 11 rounds (10 in the mag and 1 in the chamber) and shoot five targets with two rounds each, I likely would dump a third round into the fifth target, go to slide lock, do a slide lock reload while moving to the next target or shooting position. By dumping the last round, my gun is empty and I am not compelled to retain the empty mag. Stowing the mag takes time.
Like I said earlier, different sport, different rules.
IDPA stages have a maximum round count of 18 rounds so for the most part pistol shooters are only faced with one reload during a stage assuming there are few or no make up shots incurred. Revolver shooters often have three. Folks shooting revolvers virtually always shoot until they are empty. I have seldom seen a situation shooting IDPA where a revolver shooter would do a reload with retention on purpose.
Take Care
Bob
I shoot CQB. All reloads are done on empty. I use the vigorous mag slap method to release the slide. Much faster. Some pistol do it reliably. Some occasionally, and Glock/1911 - never.
I have a HK4 that is designed to do it. If the loaded mag is inserted gently, it releases the slide. Don't know if any other pistols have this design feature.
I have a HK4 that is designed to do it. If the loaded mag is inserted gently, it releases the slide. Don't know if any other pistols have this design feature.
Final Update on the fix. After clipping off the mag spring and another 2000 rounds through, including 340 rounds in a L3 14-stage IPSC match, everything works great. In the L3 match, literally all 15 people in my squad had multiple mulfunctions with their guns, from production to open, mine was THE most reliable one. ONLY ONE FTE near the end of the day throughout the whole match. That FTE was likely due to CCI primer was not hot enough as the dominion primer which I experienced during my practice. So I am very happy with the performance overall and can confirm this indeed is a good fix for this m&p issue.
