M&p15-22

[jdman]

I agree to a certain point - but rifles that are fully auto dont serve any practical civi purpose. That's my point. I'd LOVE to own a m249 and take it to the range, but giving civi's a full auto belt fed machine gun isn't very smart.

A spoon can kill you.

Why not?
I am responsible enough to have many firearms, but not a FA?
FA is not going to turn already law abiding owners into nutjobs hell bent on killing. You telling me i cant have one because it serves no practical purpose, but i can think of many practical purposes to use one.

 

[Starscream]

And Armor piercing rounds are the same, no purpose except to kill humans wearing armor.

That's in inherently wrong.

Why you ask?

ALL rifle rounds can defeat up to level IIIA armor; you'd need an external vest that met level III protection in order to stop a rifle round and most of those use a heavy plate of some kind made of ceramic or steel.

A shotgun to an armored victim will cause pretty heavy internal trauma to anyone wearing any level of soft armor. While it will not penetrate the vest a slug can still push the armour back significantly enough to break multiple ribs and a good amount of internal bleeding, enough to be life threatening if not treated quickly.

Pistol carbines would be out too; the higher velocities that a 9mm can attain from carbine can penetrate level II vests, that many police officers use under their uniforms, even out of a 10" barrel.

 

[cpynch]

It makes Automatic weapons readily available to people that will misuse them. Giving someone a 3 shot shotgun and giving them a 200 round box of belt fed ammo in a GPMG are 2 very different things.

1 has practical uses, ie hunting. 1 does not.

Machine guns are prohib fora reason, there are however lots of rifles that should be non restricted that are either restricted or prohib. I have no desire to see FA rifles and machinguns become legal. They only give people more firepower than is neccissary for a civi to have. If someone breaks into your house a shotgun or rifle is fine for self defence, there's lots of semi auto's out there. Full auto only gives you cover fire from combat situations for killing other humans in time of war.

I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to own a FA assault rifle, but that means that store need to sell them which creates a much bigger pool of incredibly devastating weapons for criminals to choose from. When crims have easy access to the same weapons that the military and police use, you're only asking for trouble. It only makes me feel less safe.

Most people Im sure would be responsible, jsut like most gun owners are. But instead of a guy walking into a school and shooting shotguns at ppl, now you start to get into people bringing machine guns to shcools and killing dozens and dozens if not hundreds of people.

 

[Stevo]

Sweet trolling Jesus.

 

[jdman]

Sweet trolling Jesus.

Yeah i know thats what i thought too.

 

[eigenvector]

It makes Automatic weapons readily available to people that will misuse them. Giving someone a 3 shot shotgun and giving them a 200 round box of belt fed ammo in a GPMG are 2 very different things.

1 has practical uses, ie hunting. 1 does not.

The fallacy here is that you "need" a "practical" reason to own anything. That's the stage we are at now, where our freedoms are at the whim of whoever is writing the definition of "need" and "practical".

I don't need a reason to own anything. The government needs a reason to tell me why I can't own it.

 

[gunrunner1977]

It makes Automatic weapons readily available to people that will misuse them. Giving someone a 3 shot shotgun and giving them a 200 round box of belt fed ammo in a GPMG are 2 very different things.

1 has practical uses, ie hunting. 1 does not.

Machine guns are prohib fora reason, there are however lots of rifles that should be non restricted that are either restricted or prohib. I have no desire to see FA rifles and machinguns become legal. They only give people more firepower than is neccissary for a civi to have. If someone breaks into your house a shotgun or rifle is fine for self defence, there's lots of semi auto's out there. Full auto only gives you cover fire from combat situations for killing other humans in time of war.

I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to own a FA assault rifle, but that means that store need to sell them which creates a much bigger pool of incredibly devastating weapons for criminals to choose from. When crims have easy access to the same weapons that the military and police use, you're only asking for trouble. It only makes me feel less safe.

Most people Im sure would be responsible, jsut like most gun owners are. But instead of a guy walking into a school and shooting shotguns at ppl, now you start to get into people bringing machine guns to shcools and killing dozens and dozens if not hundreds of people.

Have you ever shot fa it is highly inaccurate unless from a beltfed platform or alot of training, gangbangers are not into training. As far as armour penetration many of us own high powered hunting rifles that would punch through most body armour and in the very least incapacitate the recipient of the blast.

You probably would support only being allowed to own one mag per gun so we would have to reload instead of changing mag while on the shooting spree. Hell why not restrict our selves to single shot any more is a danger to society.

 

[Tom_Swift]

As far as Im concerned, yes they do.

As AWESOME as they are, full auto weapons have no practical purpose other than killing people.

And Armor piercing rounds are the same, no purpose except to kill humans wearing armor.

I believe FMJ was designed to wound rather than kill.

 

[enefgee]

As far as Im concerned, yes they do.

As AWESOME as they are, full auto weapons have no practical purpose other than killing people.

And Armor piercing rounds are the same, no purpose except to kill humans wearing armor.

Says you, - just like "handguns are designed solely to kill", says Wendy and "we've got to get away from this gun culture" (I've no idea WTF that is) says McGinty. Sorry, I will never buy that, not from them and not from you - quit legislating based on your own limited personal experience (yes, ALL of you) News flash, criminals already have F/A and when they get arrested with them they get sent to jail, for SIX MONTHS.

 

[cdnredneck_t3]

When crims have easy access to the same weapons that the military and police use, you're only asking for trouble. It only makes me feel less safe.

Most people Im sure would be responsible, jsut like most gun owners are. But instead of a guy walking into a school and shooting shotguns at ppl, now you start to get into people bringing machine guns to shcools and killing dozens and dozens if not hundreds of people.

All I can say is you should hide in you’re basement and barricade the windows. Guess what buddy. The criminals already have these firearms. If a criminal who is banned from having any firearm in general can get his hands on a pistol, assault rifle or anything else what makes you think he could not get a M249 SAW if so inclined. It is too big to hide and is usually the deciding factor for them.

The fact is if I am a lawful citizen I should be able to have what ever floats my boat. End of story.

 

[furet]

It makes Automatic weapons readily available to people that will misuse them. Giving someone a 3 shot shotgun and giving them a 200 round box of belt fed ammo in a GPMG are 2 very different things.

1 has practical uses, ie hunting. 1 does not.

Machine guns are prohib fora reason, there are however lots of rifles that should be non restricted that are either restricted or prohib. I have no desire to see FA rifles and machinguns become legal. They only give people more firepower than is neccissary for a civi to have. If someone breaks into your house a shotgun or rifle is fine for self defence, there's lots of semi auto's out there. Full auto only gives you cover fire from combat situations for killing other humans in time of war.

I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to own a FA assault rifle, but that means that store need to sell them which creates a much bigger pool of incredibly devastating weapons for criminals to choose from. When crims have easy access to the same weapons that the military and police use, you're only asking for trouble. It only makes me feel less safe.

Most people Im sure would be responsible, jsut like most gun owners are. But instead of a guy walking into a school and shooting shotguns at ppl, now you start to get into people bringing machine guns to shcools and killing dozens and dozens if not hundreds of people.

Jees sounds just like any anti's rhetoric, they have used this same speech for banning FA guns, and have used it to ban some SA guns and are still using it to ban more guns. You can use any gun "type" and test it against your opinion and the result would be the same, it would fail to qualify.
Give your head a shake.

I have never felt the need to say the following to anyone on this board, you royally pissed me off, the true incarnation of a FUDD. I gun is a gun is a gun, a killer is a killer is a killer, a gun owner is not a killer and a gun does not kill people.

 

[furet]

To answer the OP, the spec say it's polymer, hopefully it's better than the Colt tin plated version (well the COLT looks cheap, time will tell).

If it's restricted, I prefer using an adapter bolt kit in the real AR15, if it is non-restricted then it could be a cool AR15 look-a-like.

 

[Chuckbuster]

As far as Im concerned, yes they do.

As AWESOME as they are, full auto weapons have no practical purpose other than killing people.
And Armor piercing rounds are the same, no purpose except to kill humans wearing armor.

How about fun? We work so that we have enough money left over from surviving so that we can have fun. I like to have fun. Check out the Knob Creek machine gun shoot on Youtube...those guys look and sound like they are having fun. Also, I remember going to the dump with friends in my misguided youth to see how many old appliances it would take to stop various rounds...fun.

Edit: Okay...having read the rest of your posts on this issue I would have to say you are either a troll or a mole. I suggest you take up golf.

 

[Chuckbuster]

It makes Automatic weapons readily available to people that will misuse them. Giving someone a 3 shot shotgun and giving them a 200 round box of belt fed ammo in a GPMG are 2 very different things.

1 has practical uses, ie hunting. 1 does not.

Machine guns are prohib fora reason, there are however lots of rifles that should be non restricted that are either restricted or prohib. I have no desire to see FA rifles and machinguns become legal. They only give people more firepower than is neccissary for a civi to have. If someone breaks into your house a shotgun or rifle is fine for self defence, there's lots of semi auto's out there. Full auto only gives you cover fire from combat situations for killing other humans in time of war.

I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to own a FA assault rifle, but that means that store need to sell them which creates a much bigger pool of incredibly devastating weapons for criminals to choose from. When crims have easy access to the same weapons that the military and police use, you're only asking for trouble. It only makes me feel less safe.

Most people Im sure would be responsible, jsut like most gun owners are. But instead of a guy walking into a school and shooting shotguns at ppl, now you start to get into people bringing machine guns to shcools and killing dozens and dozens if not hundreds of people.

Okay, I have to ask...since machine guns are legal in some states south of the border, just when last did you hear of someone in one of those states storming a school with a SAW, minigun or a MAG58?...what about an even more mundane firearm like a full auto M16?

In fact, if memory serves me correctly, the only recent incident involving full auto was the West Hollywood bank heist and shoot out a number of years ago...it was big news not only because of the brashness of the act itself, but because of automatic fire which is exremely rare (yes, Virginia, even in the States)...so...1 example in living memory...unless you care to back up your claims with facts...and please don't use that "One is too many" or "If it saves on life..." schtick...Wendy and friends have made me tone deaf and relegate it to background noise, much like mosquitoes around the campfire.

 

[speedjunkiesracing]

Not sure whats going on but
M&P 15-22 looks good hope we get them.

 

[gvanzeggelaar]

I agree to a certain point - but rifles that are fully auto dont serve any practical civi purpose. That's my point. I'd LOVE to own a m249 and take it to the range, but giving civi's a full auto belt fed machine gun isn't very smart.

A spoon can kill you.

Quite frankly a citizen should be able to walk into a gun store and walk out with any gun he wants. And I mean any gun. Provide me data or stats that prove me wrong and I am all ears. Your talking exactly how the liberal did 30 years ago.

 

[shootemup]

Speaking of 30 years ago, folks in this country were and some still are in possession of FA guns, Brens, Stens, you name it...I don't recall a single episode of FA gun crime...

 

[Stevo]

Speaking of 30 years ago, folks in this country were and some still are in possession of FA guns, Brens, Stens, you name it...I don't recall a single episode of FA gun crime...

Denis Lortie. But he used state property.

 

[USP]

It makes Automatic weapons readily available to people that will misuse them. Giving someone a 3 shot shotgun and giving them a 200 round box of belt fed ammo in a GPMG are 2 very different things.

1 has practical uses, ie hunting. 1 does not.

Machine guns are prohib fora reason, there are however lots of rifles that should be non restricted that are either restricted or prohib. I have no desire to see FA rifles and machinguns become legal. They only give people more firepower than is neccissary for a civi to have. If someone breaks into your house a shotgun or rifle is fine for self defence, there's lots of semi auto's out there. Full auto only gives you cover fire from combat situations for killing other humans in time of war.

I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to own a FA assault rifle, but that means that store need to sell them which creates a much bigger pool of incredibly devastating weapons for criminals to choose from. When crims have easy access to the same weapons that the military and police use, you're only asking for trouble. It only makes me feel less safe.

Most people Im sure would be responsible, jsut like most gun owners are. But instead of a guy walking into a school and shooting shotguns at ppl, now you start to get into people bringing machine guns to shcools and killing dozens and dozens if not hundreds of people.

Re read the rules, deliberately trolling posts...they arent allowed here.

 

[cpynch]

Meh just my opinion, hate it if you want to lol

I was in the CF for 5 years, so I've shot FA rifles and LMG's and GPMG's right up to m203, m72, and carl g... I know how fun guns and explosions are. You may be right about the stats, I don't claim to be an expert, I just don't see why people need automatic weapons.... I disagree with the reg's on black rifles, I think they should be non-restricted but I guess I just agree on the FA prohib class... meh just my 2 cents

Edit: Still haven't gotten a call back from the RCMP about the M&P15-22 either.... Anyone know any Smith and Wesson dealers in the Atlantic provinces?