M&P9 jam-o-matic

[mudgunner49]

How do you figure that. Primers at $28/1000 works out to $1.40 for 50 and that doesn't include bullets or powder. My costs for reloading 9mm is $7.00/50 which is still better than factory ammo at $11.00 for a box of $50.

Try this for your handload costs: http://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp

I cast a lot of bullets in 9mm, .38/.357, .40, .44, .45 - I can load a box of 9 or .38 for about $2-3 per box of 50. I have had some brass for so long that I don't even factor the cost of it into the equation.

If he casts and uses a powder like Bullseye or AA#2 he could do it for under $2 a box...

 

[ian_in_vic]

I don't care what calibre it is or how cheap, you should always reload. It provides a deeper understanding of the process, Grasshopper.

 

[4string]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest there is nothing wrong with the gun or the ammo. Are you limp wristing the gun?

It would explain all your problems.

 

[Curt]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest there is nothing wrong with the gun or the ammo. Are you limp wristing the gun?

It would explain all your problems.

??? WTF do you mean ???

 

[misfire]

Some very good points here. Try some different ammo, check your extractor and evaluate your grip. The M&P9 I had was extremely reliable with WinClean, Fiocchi and my 'soft' reloads.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=156101

Pay particular attention to 1911Tuner's post in this thread.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest there is nothing wrong with the gun or the ammo. Are you limp wristing the gun?

It would explain all your problems.

Ok, so I read the thread that misfire posted and I see what you are getting at. I certainly didn't think it was an issue but then again I've never had my shooting style analyzed and this is my first pistol so who knows, although one certainly doesn't want to be known as a limp wrister

I'll certainly try a different grip although I'm not a small guy and I felt I had a fairly strong hold.

So, I've cleaned it thoroughly, will try some different ammo next time and also some of the winclean with a more rigid hold and see what gives. If I'm still having problems I'll get it looked at and see if it's a warranty issue.

Thanks for all the input folks, you're a big help.

 

[misfire]

That's a new term to me, care to elaborate?

Go to the link I posted but in a nutshell as far as I can understand it.....

It just means that while the slide is moving backwards the pistol isn't being held properly so the frame of the pistol also moves backwards (even slightly) which absorbs/counteracts the energy of the slide movement which is needed for your gun to function properly. This can cause problems with the gun's function. FWIW, I've tried limp wristing 1911's, Sigs, Glocks and my M&P9 but haven't experienced any stovepiping....YMMV

 

[Davy Crockett]

Go to the link I posted but in a nutshell as far as I can understand it.....

It just means that while the slide is moving backwards the pistol isn't being held properly so the frame of the pistol also moves backwards (even slightly) which absorbs some of the energy of the slide movement. This can cause problems with the gun's function. FWIW, I've tried limp wristing 1911's, Sigs, Glocks and my M&P9 but haven't experienced any stovepiping....YMMV

Thanks misfire, I was a bit slow in editing my other post. Some mixed messages in there although I tend to agree more with the guys who say you want a gun that fire no matter how it's held. I'll certainly try a variation next time, can't hurt I guess.

 

[SantaClawz]

I had M&P9 for almost a year now, and the gun never jammed, not even once.

 

[jamiejaf]

I don't care what calibre it is or how cheap, you should always reload. It provides a deeper understanding of the process, Grasshopper.

If i reload 22's i'll understand either how ballistics function or how much free time or few friends i have? What???
Reloading 9mm is a waste of time period if you shoot high volumes u cracker.
equate this:
100 125 gr jhp@ approx 25.00 = 4 cents a round
1 lb of win 251 @ approx 30.00 = 7000 gr @ 7 grs each round is 7000 rds
so 0.04 cents a round, cheap enough.
Primers at 30.00 a 1000 are 3 cents a round
lets say your cost is about 8 cents a round.

Labour: picking up 100 rounds on a solid floor is about 10 minutes.
cleaning and sorting 100 pieces of brass is about 4 hrs of tumbling.
Case trimming a 100 rds takes 20 minutes.
I have a lee progressive turret press and if everything goes well I
can make a 100 rds in 2 hrs . (let me know if I'm slow)
So we have 6hrs and 30 minutes to make 100 rds in total. Now lets give me a wage. Say, to what i'll lose if i didn't make my normal charge out rates at 85.00 an hour.(but that wouldn't be fair) so 15 bucks and hour...is 97.50
for the labour plus cost of a 100 is 12.5 cents = 110.00
My bushmaster carbon 15 9mm will eat up 100 rds in about 1 minute with ten mags. Yes, reloading 9mm is a waste of time...reloading 22's is retarded.
I can see reloading big stuff that you don't consume alot of or if you think shooting hollow points at pieces of paper is cool.

 

[Trigun]

If i reload 22's i'll understand either how ballistics function or how much free time or few friends i have? What???
Reloading 9mm is a waste of time period if you shoot high volumes u cracker.
equate this:
100 125 gr jhp@ approx 25.00 = 4 cents a round
1 lb of win 251 @ approx 30.00 = 7000 gr @ 7 grs each round is 7000 rds
so 0.04 cents a round, cheap enough.
Primers at 30.00 a 1000 are 3 cents a round
lets say your cost is about 8 cents a round.

Labour: picking up 100 rounds on a solid floor is about 10 minutes.
cleaning and sorting 100 pieces of brass is about 4 hrs of tumbling.
Case trimming a 100 rds takes 20 minutes.
I have a lee progressive turret press and if everything goes well I
can make a 100 rds in 2 hrs . (let me know if I'm slow)
So we have 6hrs and 30 minutes to make 100 rds in total. Now lets give me a wage. Say, to what i'll lose if i didn't make my normal charge out rates at 85.00 an hour.(but that wouldn't be fair) so 15 bucks and hour...is 97.50
for the labour plus cost of a 100 is 12.5 cents = 110.00
My bushmaster carbon 15 9mm will eat up 100 rds in about 1 minute with ten mags. Yes, reloading 9mm is a waste of time...reloading 22's is retarded.
I can see reloading big stuff that you don't consume alot of or if you think shooting hollow points at pieces of paper is cool.

I reload for fun, for accuracy and not for cheaper cost. It is a good hobby.

Trigun

 

[ian_in_vic]

If i reload 22's i'll understand either how ballistics function or how much free time or few friends i have? What???
Reloading 9mm is a waste of time period if you shoot high volumes u cracker.
equate this:
100 125 gr jhp@ approx 25.00 = 4 cents a round
1 lb of win 251 @ approx 30.00 = 7000 gr @ 7 grs each round is 7000 rds
so 0.04 cents a round, cheap enough.
Primers at 30.00 a 1000 are 3 cents a round
lets say your cost is about 8 cents a round.

Labour: picking up 100 rounds on a solid floor is about 10 minutes.
cleaning and sorting 100 pieces of brass is about 4 hrs of tumbling.
Case trimming a 100 rds takes 20 minutes.
I have a lee progressive turret press and if everything goes well I
can make a 100 rds in 2 hrs . (let me know if I'm slow)
So we have 6hrs and 30 minutes to make 100 rds in total. Now lets give me a wage. Say, to what i'll lose if i didn't make my normal charge out rates at 85.00 an hour.(but that wouldn't be fair) so 15 bucks and hour...is 97.50
for the labour plus cost of a 100 is 12.5 cents = 110.00
My bushmaster carbon 15 9mm will eat up 100 rds in about 1 minute with ten mags. Yes, reloading 9mm is a waste of time...reloading 22's is retarded.
I can see reloading big stuff that you don't consume alot of or if you think shooting hollow points at pieces of paper is cool.

1) 22 LR is non-reloadable - centre fire 22's are very reloadable, ask a varmint hunter
2) shoot with a tarp, you'll never shoot without one after you have- saves a ton of back pain.
3) you're slow with your press, but don't speed up if you're safe at that speed
4) you don't get a wage for your hobby, and you don't get paid for listening to a tumbler
5) 7 grains of 231 is an incredible overload- at least 2 full grains over - do you really reload? That load IS dangerous - it's 180% of a full load. Don't believe me, look it up, or post a "what would happen" question. Go back and read what I wrote about understanding the process.
6) you really trim pistol cases every time? (oh yeah 7 grains of 231) for those of us shooting safe loads it's not that common - and you don't get paid for it when you do it.
7) 9mm - hell, pistol, shoot lead - way cheaper and there is no need to load hollowpoints
8) shoot 30,000 rounds of factory in a year (you may be able to do this if you don't have a wife, and you have LOTS of money)- then send me your brass and I'll shoot 90,000
9) "100 rounds in a minute" really? Ever hit anything?
10) Of course you're right - that's why IPSC shooters (even the pro's) never reload, they just buy factory .

 

[Trigun]

1) 22 LR is non-reloadable - centre fire 22's are very reloadable, ask a varmint hunter
2) shoot with a tarp, you'll never shoot without one after you have- saves a ton of back pain.
3) you're slow with your press, but don't speed up if you're safe at that speed
4) you don't get a wage for your hobby, and you don't get paid for listening to a tumbler
5) 7 grains of 231 is an incredible overload- at least 2 full grains over - do you really reload? That load IS dangerous - it's 180% of a full load. Don't believe me, look it up, or post a "what would happen" question. Go back and read what I wrote about understanding the process.
6) you really trim pistol cases every time? (oh yeah 7 grains of 231) for those of us shooting safe loads it's not that common - and you don't get paid for it when you do it.
7) 9mm - hell, pistol, shoot lead - way cheaper and there is no need to load hollowpoints
8) shoot 30,000 rounds of factory in a year (you may be able to do this if you don't have a wife, and you have LOTS of money)- then send me your brass and I'll shoot 90,000
9) "100 rounds in a minute" really? Ever hit anything?
10) Of course you're right - that's why IPSC shooters (even the pro's) never reload, they just buy factory .

Well Said!!!

Trigun

 

[misfire]

If i reload 22's i'll understand either how ballistics function or how much free time or few friends i have? What???
Reloading 9mm is a waste of time period if you shoot high volumes u cracker.
equate this:
100 125 gr jhp@ approx 25.00 = 4 cents a round
1 lb of win 251 @ approx 30.00 = 7000 gr @ 7 grs each round is 7000 rds
so 0.04 cents a round, cheap enough.
Primers at 30.00 a 1000 are 3 cents a round
lets say your cost is about 8 cents a round.

Labour: picking up 100 rounds on a solid floor is about 10 minutes.
cleaning and sorting 100 pieces of brass is about 4 hrs of tumbling.
Case trimming a 100 rds takes 20 minutes.
I have a lee progressive turret press and if everything goes well I
can make a 100 rds in 2 hrs . (let me know if I'm slow)
So we have 6hrs and 30 minutes to make 100 rds in total. Now lets give me a wage. Say, to what i'll lose if i didn't make my normal charge out rates at 85.00 an hour.(but that wouldn't be fair) so 15 bucks and hour...is 97.50
for the labour plus cost of a 100 is 12.5 cents = 110.00
My bushmaster carbon 15 9mm will eat up 100 rds in about 1 minute with ten mags. Yes, reloading 9mm is a waste of time...reloading 22's is retarded.
I can see reloading big stuff that you don't consume alot of or if you think shooting hollow points at pieces of paper is cool.

Uhhh, okay........

 

[Colin]

If i reload 22's i'll understand either how ballistics function or how much free time or few friends i have? What???
Reloading 9mm is a waste of time period if you shoot high volumes u cracker.
equate this:
100 125 gr jhp@ approx 25.00 = 4 cents a round
1 lb of win 251 @ approx 30.00 = 7000 gr @ 7 grs each round is 7000 rds
so 0.04 cents a round, cheap enough.
Primers at 30.00 a 1000 are 3 cents a round
lets say your cost is about 8 cents a round.

Labour: picking up 100 rounds on a solid floor is about 10 minutes.
cleaning and sorting 100 pieces of brass is about 4 hrs of tumbling.
Case trimming a 100 rds takes 20 minutes.
I have a lee progressive turret press and if everything goes well I
can make a 100 rds in 2 hrs . (let me know if I'm slow)
So we have 6hrs and 30 minutes to make 100 rds in total. Now lets give me a wage. Say, to what i'll lose if i didn't make my normal charge out rates at 85.00 an hour.(but that wouldn't be fair) so 15 bucks and hour...is 97.50
for the labour plus cost of a 100 is 12.5 cents = 110.00
My bushmaster carbon 15 9mm will eat up 100 rds in about 1 minute with ten mags. Yes, reloading 9mm is a waste of time...reloading 22's is retarded.
I can see reloading big stuff that you don't consume alot of or if you think shooting hollow points at pieces of paper is cool.

I have yet to trim my pistol cases and even with a Lee Classic I can load 150 rds an hour, you should be double that with a progressive. Picking up a 1,000 brass where I shoot takes 10 minutes and we have to clean up anyways.

I have had zero problems with my MP, use different ammo and check your wrist, problem persits call SW they are pretty good at fixing things.

 

[Slavex]

you're in the Wack, where do you shoot? Chilliwack Fish and Game, Abby? let me know when you are going out again and I'll bring my M&P along and some ammo and we can test both guns. I can also give your M&P a once over and see if there are any obvious problems sticking out.

 

[rick357]

Go to the link I posted but in a nutshell as far as I can understand it.....

It just means that while the slide is moving backwards the pistol isn't being held properly so the frame of the pistol also moves backwards (even slightly) which absorbs/counteracts the energy of the slide movement which is needed for your gun to function properly. This can cause problems with the gun's function. FWIW, I've tried limp wristing 1911's, Sigs, Glocks and my M&P9 but haven't experienced any stovepiping....YMMV

My first buy was a .40S&W M&P. Still have it and my wife, sons and I shoot it regularly. None of us has had an issue.

Since I end up at the range and usually drag one of the kids or momma along, I thought why not get a 9mm too. I was having some difficulty finding cheap .40 S&W ammo since we tend to chew a lot of it up. There almost always seems to be some relatively inexpensive 9mm ammo available and hey, I like shooting the M&P! Well, I can fire that 9mm for hours and not have a problem. I have never had a problem with it so far. My wife has a misfeed about every second or third mag on it and I thought it might be due to her weaker hold. I haven't had the kids out with it yet but I'll watch and see if they have problems too. I guess she will have to stick with the .40. Maybe it will get better as it works in some more. It has only seen about 500 rounds so far and most of them with me.

 

[mudgunner49]

1) 22 LR is non-reloadable - centre fire 22's are very reloadable, ask a varmint hunter
2) shoot with a tarp, you'll never shoot without one after you have- saves a ton of back pain.
3) you're slow with your press, but don't speed up if you're safe at that speed
4) you don't get a wage for your hobby, and you don't get paid for listening to a tumbler
5) 7 grains of 231 is an incredible overload- at least 2 full grains over - do you really reload? That load IS dangerous - it's 180% of a full load. Don't believe me, look it up, or post a "what would happen" question. Go back and read what I wrote about understanding the process.
6) you really trim pistol cases every time? (oh yeah 7 grains of 231) for those of us shooting safe loads it's not that common - and you don't get paid for it when you do it.
7) 9mm - hell, pistol, shoot lead - way cheaper and there is no need to load hollowpoints
8) shoot 30,000 rounds of factory in a year (you may be able to do this if you don't have a wife, and you have LOTS of money)- then send me your brass and I'll shoot 90,000
9) "100 rounds in a minute" really? Ever hit anything?
10) Of course you're right - that's why IPSC shooters (even the pro's) never reload, they just buy factory .

I was going to respond to the original post, but this pretty much said it all. I have 3 Dillon 550B presses and can put out 3-500 rds per hour. I wouldn't waste my time reloading 100 rds of anything - volume is where it's at BABY!!!

I have my doubts that this indiv even reloads at all...


blake