M&P9 VS Glock 17

JoeOnePack said:
I'm not trying to be a professional, I'm trying to have fun... I dont think having all these things will make me an amazing shooter either, so don't get that Idea.

Thanks everyone for their responses so far.
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Seeking professional training has zero to do with being a professional. If you want to be competent with a firearm, you need professional training. No one is a natural born shooter. Your natural ability will only take you so far. Add on gimmicks like reddots on handguns and lasers will take you nowhere with regards to your performance.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Seeking professional training has zero to do with being a professional. If you want to be competent with a firearm, you need professional training. No one is a natural born shooter. Your natural ability will only take you so far. Add on gimmicks like reddots on handguns and lasers will take you nowhere with regards to your performance.

TDC
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Totally agree with that. I've been shooting pistols for a few years with no formal training (I've had range officers give me tips when I'm at the range). I then took a one day course and it was night and day.

Allan
 
TDC said:
Seeking professional training has zero to do with being a professional. If you want to be competent with a firearm, you need professional training. No one is a natural born shooter. Your natural ability will only take you so far. Add on gimmicks like reddots on handguns and lasers will take you nowhere with regards to your performance.

TDC
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I've taken the CQB pistol/rifle courses with Earl Green and that is about as professional as I'm going to get. Like many other people here, a lot of the fun for me is the build. You also say the red dot is a gimmick. That is purely your opinion, nothing more. There are many competent shooters out there that would not agree with you and if you haven't used it you shouldn't be so quick to write it off. Almost all of us have red dots on our AR's, I'm sure years ago people were calling them gimmicks as well.

To those who say there is no resale value in a modded glock grip, I don't agree at all, IMO of course. I'm not going to do a hack job. If reduced properly and stippled nicely, I'm sure there are tons of people out there who would jump all over it if I ever wanted to sell. I know would if I saw one for sale.

Thanks for the opinions again, I think I am going to go with a Glock 17 and do the slide mods first. Then I will look into the grip issue. Stippling is 100% a go and easy to do. The reduction is the harder part. I will update the thread with pictures as it progresses.
 
I was in the same decision a month ago, and it came down to which I was able to get. In the Toronto area or online good luck finding a glock 17, so I got the M&P because of availability. No complaints and functions perfectly. Trigger is a bit mushy but you get used to it :s
 
OP is correct in being pointless in asking for opinions on personal taste. Just get what you like, be happy with it, no need to seek support from the net.

Pistols are very personal, some buy for accuracy, some for looks, some for mod-ability; confidently choose your won poison.
 
truthfully they're both probably on par with each other as far as durability etc. goes... glock has been around longer and most would say has a more 'proven track record of reliability' but it all comes down to your personal choice. i like glocks, but i don't own any because for me they don't point well and feel a bit awkward. m&p9 just suits me better!

doubtful you'd regret getting either!
 
I think the Smith wins on ergonomics alone. I went with the CZp07 Duty and think it is a very nice choice in that category too. Deadly accurate.
 
JoeOnePack said:
I've taken the CQB pistol/rifle courses with Earl Green and that is about as professional as I'm going to get. Like many other people here, a lot of the fun for me is the build. You also say the red dot is a gimmick. That is purely your opinion, nothing more. There are many competent shooters out there that would not agree with you and if you haven't used it you shouldn't be so quick to write it off. Almost all of us have red dots on our AR's, I'm sure years ago people were calling them gimmicks as well.

To those who say there is no resale value in a modded glock grip, I don't agree at all, IMO of course. I'm not going to do a hack job. If reduced properly and stippled nicely, I'm sure there are tons of people out there who would jump all over it if I ever wanted to sell. I know would if I saw one for sale.

Thanks for the opinions again, I think I am going to go with a Glock 17 and do the slide mods first. Then I will look into the grip issue. Stippling is 100% a go and easy to do. The reduction is the harder part. I will update the thread with pictures as it progresses.
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I've shot plenty of pistols with optics and wasn't overly impressed with any of them. unless you compete or just want to look cool there's no reason to run an optic on a handgun. The advantage of reddot optics is lost on handguns due to the short range in which they're utilized. On a rifle they make a world of difference. It also helps that a rifle is shoulder controlled and your eye/head are placed consistently unlike with a handgun.

As for the g17l. Its overrated. the additional barrel length translates into a non appreciable gain. The 17l was replaced by the 34.

Tdc
 
I have a glock 17. I have shot the M&P9 a few times. I am too new to be able to tell the difference.

A guy at my club had the M&P9 and wished he had gotten the G17 instead. I guess he had shot both a lot in Las Vegas and went with the M&P9 because he said the Glocks rough grip bugged him (doesn't bother me at all). However, after shooting my G17 a bit, he said the M&P had more muzzle rise and he had wish he had gotten the Glock instead.

Take it for what it is.
 
With all the gadget you want to put on your gun, it'll Cost you way more than buying thé Glock and the SW.....

I can't judge you, because I personally like gadgets, but that's a lot more gadgets than the original gun value.

I personally prefer Glocks, but that's personnal opinion. Try both and you can't go wrong anyway :)
 
I hove owned a crap-ton (50+ Glocks, everything but a G18 sadly) and they are great guns. Reliable, easy to shoot, and tough. They are like the AR15 of the handgun world...endless things you can do to them.

I have built a few guns for CGN'ers as well as a tone of them for myself.

I have switched up what I like and use now (XDM's) but you cant go wrong with either of your choices. They both shoot well, have a good selection of accessories and a good following.
As for reliability and such, honestly, you dont need to worry about that so much. Sure you can put 50,000rnds through a Glock and it still functions perfect. Maybe you can with an M&P, but you need to ask yourself.....will you EVER put that many rounds through the gun?

I have shot more ammo through 1 glock that I own than most people ever will and it works great.

IMO, pick the one that fits you and looks best to you...its your gun after all, you have to live with the purchase.
 
JoeOnePack said:
Hey there.



M&P:
- I like the grip a little better compared to stock glock
- Like the looks more
- I like its crimson grip better as it fits right into the grip, its also much more streamline, less bulky.
- More 1911 like.
- Have heard some widespread issues with M&P9 accuracy issues on newer models.

Glock:
- Proven track record, very reliable - ???? Both Are.
- Consistent with accuracy from what I have read...??? Read
- Grip is a little awkward, points a little high (can stipple/reduce grip myself)
- New crimson grip wraps around front interfering with DG switch.
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You answered with your original post
 
i shopped around and took my time buying my pistol. i looked at the glock 17, m&p9, cz07 duty, sig226 and 1911's. i went with the m&p9 range and carry kit. for the casual shooting that i will be doing, it will work fine. fits my hand great, love the slide grip and its a great value. 3mags, mag loader, holster, mag holster, mag loader, gun and case. it all came 30 bucks cheaper than the g17 gen3 with 2 mags. gen4 has 3 mags now i believe but is roughly around 700-750 i think.

but i must say this, if the cz07 duty had a more complete kit like the m&p9 or a better aftermarket following, i think i would of went with that. it fit my hand like a glove and i loved the grip.
 
I went with the M&P9. Like you I did countless hours of research online. From peeps who shot both.

From my research the general consensus was the glock shot better out of the box. Just look at the rifling in the barrel its nicer IMO. Less muzzle flip just because of the angle forces ur wrist to absorb more. Based on comments seemed to have less problems during idpa/ipsc matches.

I chose the M&P cause it just fits my hand better loved the placement of the mag release. Great value with the range kit coming cheaper than the gen4.

Interesting thing from asking around some people who shot the gen3 back to back with gen 4 perferred the gen 3 G17.

Either way like most people have said the difference is so small, I just went with the one that felt and looked better. :)
 
I took the same course as ANARK the past weekend, and the course made a world of difference to my shooting ability.

With that being said i went through the same dilemma. Glock VS M&P vs XDM after almost 6 months of trying them (more than once on defferent occasions). I decided to go with the XDM, The grip just felt better while shooting. Some grips might feel nice while holding them, and might be completely different while shooting.

My Best advice is to try them all, and dont rush your decision. If you need to try one again because you forgot what it felt like, do it.

No matter what you buy, or what people tell you, only you will know how the gun feels in you hands. All three are great, only you will know whats Great for you.
 
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