M1 Garand mag support???!!!

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With current situation I missed my M14.
I was wondering if I can convert one of my M1 Garand Springfield to 7.62x51 or 308 and make it compatible to support magazine ?

I'hv noticed that the receiver must be modified to be compatible and support magazine.

Any gunsmith you guys know or any idea ?
I am interest to buy if someone has as well.

I would like to have a Garand that support M14 mags.
 
Converting it to 7.62x51/308 will be really easy. I build 308 garands all the time.

You can get Magazine fed Garands. Vulcan gun works will probably build it for you.

Imo just get a 308 Garand and keep the 8 Rounds.
 
You would be best to get a BM59E kit for the internal parts to convert, not sure what is done to use M14 mags but can be done. The BM59E kit that Sarco sells could be imported which contains internal parts, 7.62 barrel, shortened oprod, bolt, and stock set, may require machined extractor to clear mag. Machining in US runs at $500 USD for conversion not sure what Vulcan would charge here in Canada. Probably gonna be over $1500 for the labor and imported BM59 parts then all the Garand parts to assemble, and now only a 5 rounder if you get pinned BM59 mags. The better looking version is a BM59 but the 19.25" barrels are hard to get, oprod and gas system are also different then the Garand. Please never convert a USGI receiver when Italian receivers are cheap and plentiful.
 
So you're going to create a prohibited firearm?

The BM59 is a named prohibited firearm, and even though you started with an NR M1 Garand you are going to create a prohibited BM59 as BM59's were originally converted M1 garands.
 
chillyrabbit said:
So you're going to create a prohibited firearm?

The BM59 is a named prohibited firearm, and even though you started with an NR M1 Garand you are going to create a prohibited BM59 as BM59's were originally converted M1 garands.
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That's not how it works. If it's an M1 Garand, it's always an M1 Garand, no matter what you do to it. The only ways to turn a Garand Prohibited are to make it full auto or cut it too short.
 
So you're telling me if you take an M1 garand, and do the exact same modifications the Italians did to make their BM59. You wouldn't make a BM59 you just have a modified Garand? I don't think it works that way.
 
How about this line of thought, for the sake of discussion?
There are those who would like a non-restricted AK, like one of the Valmet variants. But you cannot build a Valmet; the only Valmets are those actually made by that company. If you build something that is absolutely identical, it is still not a Valmet.
A BM59 is a specific firearm, made in Italy.
If you cannot build a Valmet, how could you build a BM59?
 
Here is another project, which apparently has been done:
Install a M1A or M305 barrel on a M-1 receiver. It will screw right on, with a good chance of indexing and headspacing without alterations. Splice the front end of a M305 op. rod to the back end of an M-1 op. rod. Make the necessary alterations to the gas operating system - op. rod guide, etc. Mill the receiver to accept a M-14 magazine. Install a magazine catch.
Is the resulting rifle a M-14, M1A or M-305? No. It is a M-1 that accepts a magazine.
 
You can use your current m1 3006 barrel for the 308 conversion. You just cop half an inch off re thread it. Then use a 308 chamber reamer to set your head space then chop half an inch off your op rod and and swap the piston over then trim your recoil spring. Thats what the Italians did
 
chillyrabbit said:
So you're telling me if you take an M1 garand, and do the exact same modifications the Italians did to make their BM59. You wouldn't make a BM59 you just have a modified Garand? I don't think it works that way.
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Probably not going to add the dowel and full auto parts, that would be bad so not the same as the Italians. Modifying a garand would be the same same thing as adding a magwell that excepts AK mags on an SKS.
 
tiriaq said:
How about this line of thought, for the sake of discussion?
There are those who would like a non-restricted AK, like one of the Valmet variants. But you cannot build a Valmet; the only Valmets are those actually made by that company. If you build something that is absolutely identical, it is still not a Valmet.
A BM59 is a specific firearm, made in Italy.
If you cannot build a Valmet, how could you build a BM59?
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For the AK it bans all AK types, except the 3 listed models, how that squares with RCMP "logic" is any AK not made by Valmet in those 3 models are just a variant of the AK rifle.

But the BM 59 is called out as the BM 59 and all variants, so if China made a BM 59 clone it would still be a BM 59 albeit a variant of the Italian BM 59.

crogers said:
Probably not going to add the dowel and full auto parts, that would be bad so not the same as the Italians. Modifying a garand would be the same same thing as adding a magwell that excepts AK mags on an SKS.
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Am I the only crazy one here?

67 The firearm of the design commonly known as the BM 59 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including
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How the RCMP would interpret a firearm that is literally identical to a BM 59, even a semi-auto one (since the originals were literally modified Garands until the Italians spun up a dedicated line) is well documented in the Swiss arms classic green case.

A Swiss arms classic green was literally identical to the SG 550 sample, therefore the SAN Classic green is a variant of the SG 550 and prohibited.

I make a modified M1 Garand (with a BM59 parts kit, which is what I'm arguing would create a prohibited firearm) that it is literally identical to a BM 59 sample rifle and it's not a BM 59?

What I think is that if you took an M1 Garand and modified it to take another type of magazine and did not use BM 59 parts, that would be A-okay as it wouldn't be a BM 59 variant. Which answers the original question.

But that if you take a M1 Garand and literally make it into a BM 59 (which is a modified M1 Garand) using a BM 59 parts kit you are making a prohibited BM 59 variant.
 
If you put any of the mentioned or all BM59 parts bolt, rear sight, front sight, butt stock, or any other BM marked parts on a Garand is it now prohibited? The key is it is a Garand receiver not a BM receiver or variant. Silly laws but that is how I read it.
 
I have zero interest in adding a mag to my Garand but I would like to get my hands on a BM59 gas cylinder.
 
chillyrabbit said:
So you're telling me if you take an M1 garand, and do the exact same modifications the Italians did to make their BM59. You wouldn't make a BM59 you just have a modified Garand? I don't think it works that way.
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Your thoughts are irrelevant to how the law was written. Receiver = firearm. Garand =garand
 
crogers said:
If you put any of the mentioned or all BM59 parts bolt, rear sight, front sight, butt stock, or any other BM marked parts on a Garand is it now prohibited? The key is it is a Garand receiver not a BM receiver or variant. Silly laws but that is how I read it.
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That's exactly how it works. If you take a Valmet Hunter and put a bunch of Galil parts on it (move the trigger, change the handguards, swap out the selector, shorten the barrel, - but not too short - make/acquire an adapter for a stock, you end up with.... a Valmet Hunter. If you take an SL8 and graft a bunch of G36 parts on it including welding the polymer receiver bits from a real G36 together, and use an HK trigger pack, you get...an SL8 (and a big bill).
 
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