M1 Garand timeing issue FIXED

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Hey everyone, i bought a m1 garand off a guy here and i was told there was a timeing issue, he said sometimes the en block ejected after 1 to 2 shots, i dont have ammo yet to test but i have taking apart the rifle and all the parts look pretty new, if you garand expert can take alook at the picture and see if you see something wrong, thanks and hopefully its not to big of a fix.

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Thanks guys
 
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It's probably the clip latch spring or the bullet guide. If that's the case it shouldn't be more than a $20 fix but we'll need more info before we can pinpoint the problem for you. Let us know exactly what it's doing once you have time to take it out to the range and fire a few shots.
 
Start off with new/newer Enblocks and you may need to change out the clip latch. Before you start trying to replace parts, pull the stock off and using something like lacquer thinner to clean out the action and its parts, then re oil and try again.
 
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As indicated, try some new clips. Next likely is the clip latch spring. Brownells sells a heavy duty one. After that the clip latch itself as the engagement surfaces are subject to wear.
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i am thinking it might of bin some of the enblocks, the guy gave me 10 and some of them got a bit of surface rust and some are look in great shape, i dont think anything wrong with the gun cause everything looks brand new expect the stock haha time will tell once i get some ammo,
Thanks guys
 
All good advice - clean, replace perishable parts, use en blocs that haven't been cycled two dozen times, and as always, approach the problem methodically.

It is possible that with new springs and sharp edged parts, the old clips might work just fine. As the last link in a chain of weak or marginal tolerance parts, they are likely to be disfunctional.
 
Another thing to do is to check the stock inletting for the rear "tail" of the clip latch to make sure that there is no build up of crud that interferes with free movement of the clip latch. Also ensure that the clip latch pin is fully seated from the front and that the clip latch rotates freely on the pin. Good idea to remove and clean the pin and then apply oil before re-installing.
 
Kulhausen manual suggests that if you have a Garand with a feeding issue that is not readily apparent, borrow from a good friend another Garand that has toruble free operation. Do a tear down and disassembly ensuring to keep the two differing rifles apart so you don't mix them up.
Do a careful side by each comparison of the smaller parts until you find the culprit.

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Try diffren't ammo as well I had problems with Americain egale 308 win. (mines not 30-06) It was made that way from the factory. It had the same exact problem sometimes it wouldn't eject or cycle a round at all. Changed the ammo (reloads) and it now runs like a champ.

Some of the rounds would go bang some would go puff I think it had problems with the gas system not getting enough gas through it.


I think it was 42 or 47 grains of powder Hodgens (purple bottle ie recomened for the rifle) and 150 grain seria bullets. I checked the manual and what people recomended to get the same as the orginal ammo loads for the rifle and it works great now. (it was in the middle of the load data)
 
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This is a long shot but the Op Rod catch:
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could be a source of grief if the long bent arm at the end is not square, it actually trips the clip latch and if it's bent inwards, it could strike one of the enbloc clipped rounds and cause early ejection of the en bloc and contents. This would be very obvious with two Garands side by each with the actions open and the bolts locked fully backwards, again compare the good operating rifle with the bad one.

The top picture here shows the most likely suspects for your problem. Kulhausen manual also directs you inspect these parts paying particular attention to wear points. These all could add to any feeding problems.
But I once had a problem similar to yours, and I changed the clip latch and clip latch spring and my rifle went from 1 or 2 shots and ejecting the en bloc, to shooting successfully 5 or 6 rounds before early ejection. Ultimately I found the slightly bent inwards op rod catch and my problem was solved 100%.

Please keep in mind this was a problem for myself about 7 years ago, and the only detail I'm absolutely sure of is the bent op rod catch.

Anyone else, please feel free to correct my post info here.

Good luck to you Blista77.
 
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ill take apart my rifle again tomorrow, thanks for all the info guys, and if i end up buying another garand its all your guys fault :) ill use you guys in my excuse saying i need to do a comparison haha i wish i could aford to get another one or 2 or 3 haha there a nice rifle.
 
i shot the garand today and didnt lose a thumb :), its a fun rifle to shoot but it does definably got a problem, i tried 6 different end blocks and got the same result, i could only fire 4 to 5 rounds each then the en block would release out( not fly out it would pop out and jam the gun, it did fly out once though) i had 10 enblock total but 4 of them just would not go in so i think those 4 are garbage, any ideas why it would eject at 4 or 5 rounds? i was shooting wolf ammo it is Muzzle Velocity: 2,781 F.P.S. Muzzle Energy: 2,490 ft.-lbs, i did try 8 rounds of winchester and it still ejected at 5 rounds

thanks guys
 
Go back and re-read what was aid about some other possible causes. The next one to eliminate is a weak clip latch spring. There are other possible causes incl a bent/worn follower rod, and a worn arm on the op rod catch where it engages the clip latch. You don't need to actually shoot the rifle to work thru this. You can buy or make up some .30-06 dummy rounds and then use them in an en bloc clip to check functioning.
 
purple said:
Go back and re-read what was aid about some other possible causes. The next one to eliminate is a weak clip latch spring. There are other possible causes incl a bent/worn follower rod, and a worn arm on the op rod catch where it engages the clip latch. You don't need to actually shoot the rifle to work thru this. You can buy or make up some .30-06 dummy rounds and then use them in an en bloc clip to check functioning.
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I actually recently found a repair record of my exact same Garand issues in a short note stored in my Lyman handload record book:

"Jumping clip"
-clip latch spring replaced
-follower slide assembly and follower arm replaced
-follower rod and action spring replaced
-bullet guide replaced
Finally resolved!
-op rod catch accelerator 'hook' bent inwards ever so slightly, causing live ammo in the en bloc clip to bump catch which then released the spring loaded clip latch, hence ejecting the partially full en bloc too early.
-operating rod catch replaced
^If I had discovered this earlier, I may not have had to replace the above mentioned small parts.

This may or may not help you out.
 
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anyone have a detailed picture of Op Rod catch? i am thinking thats the problem, searching the net and people with the same problem replace that and fix it, and were can i get some dummy 3006 ammo? And how much does Op Rod catch run these days?
 
took the op rod catch out but idk it anything is wrong, i wish i new more about these rifle
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Also measured the OP rod spring and its 19.5 inchs, what else should i check?
 
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You really can't judge servicability from appearances alone as there are variations in manufacturing tolerances and wear patterns on parts can be quite subtle. In the absence of a stock of replacement parts you are probably best to either have the rifle examined by someone with parts who knows what he is looking for or borrow another rifle that functions correctly and then try the parts from it in yours one at a time. Any of the clip latch, clip latch pin, clip latch spring, stock, operating rod catch, follower, follower rod, follower arm, follower arm pin, or bullet guide could have a bearing on this so it is necessary to eliminate them one at a time. As mentioned earlier, the most likely causes are a weak clip latch spring, a worn clip latch, a worn follower rod or the op rod catch.
 
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