What does the Firearms Act have to do with provincial hunting regulations?
M1 Garand
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maple_leaf_eh
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The OP is not the first person to ask about loading fewer rounds in a Garand. There are ways to internally limit a pingey so it can't take 8 rounds. The Conservation Officer won't care if he ejects 5 rounds from a 8-round "clip" it is still over-capacity according to the game regulations. The judge probably isn't interested in wordplay about patent language either. So, play within the rules and nothing gets complicated.Can simply load 5 roundsinto an 8 rounder
maple_leaf_eh
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Federal firearms law always beats provincial regulation. The same as not being allowed to hunt with handguns.
wolf300H&H
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Ohh. Ok
…. ThnxI haven’t been able to find them, do you have a link?
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/19259963625...t1JuZohDk8JPPBwISaANSId3M=|tkp:Bk9SR7aUubiFZw
I have never ordered enbloc clips from overseas before but it seems that they ship internationally and it’s not technically a magazine. You can also see from the pictures how easy the modification is. Meeting hunting regs isn’t the same as pinning magazines to meet the requirements of the firearms act. Think of the plastic rod that comes with a shotgun to drop in the tube and limit to 2+1 for duck/goose hunting then remove it when you’re not hunting.
I pm’d him he’s from Ontario……
We are talking hunting regs and CO's, so they tend to be much more practical than federal law and agents of the state. Make sure you only have 5 round clips on you when hunting and the CO will never bother asking about hypothetical 8 rounders that you have at home.
This is no different than hunting with a semi-auto rifle that takes box mags. If you only have 5 round mags with you they don't care if it can also accept 30 round mags. Or when bird hunting and the only thing limiting your tube mag to 2 rounds is an easily removable plug. As long as the plug is in place when the CO checks then you're fine, even if you could just remove it 5 minutes after he leaves.
Mark
fingers284
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This is the appropriate post to pay attention too in this topic.
The key wording is "capable of holding" and a Garand is still "capable" of holding 4,5 or 8 round en-blocks. You can (i have) make an insert that fits inside a Garand that wont interfere with operation that only allows a 4 shot enbloc to fit inside...sort of mimicking the shotgun plugs that have been legal for use for decades....But and a big BUT , Im still not sure it circumvents the "capable" word in a courtroom...That being said I will be hunting mine this fall with the makeshift "plug".
Again, how did people ever legally hunt with a semi-auto that takes box mags? Because they care about what you are actually hunting with, not something that you aren't, that's how.
Can anyone that subscribes to this position point to any prosecution, anywhere in Kanada, that claimed someone was illegally hunting because his rifle could take mags of more than 5 rounds, but only had 5 round mags in his possession?
Mark
Hunting regs. - dan
fingers284
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The reality is that they didn't hunt legally, they just weren't challenged over it ...yet...but if it ever does come up as a "test case" i'm betting on the courtroom version of what is legal will trump your version.
And a judge would be the one to define the outcome…….
Unless said enforcement official gives you it in writing it is useless, lots of incorrect and misleading information gets given out by field officials, and the egg on your face would be stating Officer XYZ said it works this way, and then when Officer XYZ gets questioned his reply would be I have no recollection of such a conversation.
Round and round we go………
I wonder out loud how we navigated with our M305’s and pinned 20 round mags, when we hunted with them?
Or my buddy that had a detachable curved maged SKS got by deer hunting with nothing but a 2 cent pop rivet in the mag?
Here’s my advice……. Buy a 5 round pingy or 3 and carry only those while hunting, most fish cops know jack schitt about different firearms, and wouldn’t know anything beyond what they see.
Heck if ya wanna confuse Mr. Green Jeans have them check the Ruger Number 1 your hunting with, they can’t fathom it has no magazine…
At least somebody else gets it. People have been hunting with box mag fed semi-autos for many decades and this has never been an issue.
As a secondary question, has anyone ever had a CO check mag capacity while hunting? Aside from bird hunting I've never experienced it. My limited contact with CO's has shown they care that your gun is unloaded in/on a vehicle and that you have the appropriate licenses and tags, nothing more.
Mark
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