M1 Garand

[MrMatt]

The M1 Garand seems to require a prohibited magazine because of the enbloc thing.

I've heard that there is an exception for the M1 Garand and Lee Enfield that allow both.

Two questions.
1. Where is the exception for the M1 documented?
2. Why would the Lee Enfield need an exemption, AFAIK even a 100 round centerfire magazine for a bolt action would be fine, no exemption required.

 

[redleg]

The exemptions are in the prohibited devices section of the act that deals with cartridge magazines. Select fire and semi auto guns were manufactured that used LE mags. The exemption is ther eto ensure you can keep the original 10rd mag.

 

[Dimitri]

The M1 is listed as is the drum magazine for the Bren and the like. There are some exceptions to the 5 round rule. Don't worry about it it is legal for a 8 round Enbloc clip to be in a M1.

The Lee-Enfield doesn't need a exemption and I think who ever added that into the law did it on purpose. No new Order in Councils can prohibit the 10 round Enfield magazine but they can prohibit other magazines in bolt actions with a single OIC. It would take a vote in parliament to prohibit the Lee-Enfield magazine. But that is just my theory.

The law states what it was designed for use in. So a bolt action magazine in a semi-automatic is legal as long as no modifications are required to use it in the semi-automatic. So I never understood that theory. Unless the law makers at the time were just that dumb and didn't realize they already exempted the Lee-Enfield magazine by virtue of the "designed for" clause.

Dimitri

 

[DASQ]

The exemption is written right in the part about magazine capacities... I can't remember with section/paragraph/subsection anymore, but it's very clear that the M1 Garand is an except to the '5 round centrefire' rule, as are other things like belt fed machineguns with feed systems designed before 1945.

 

[Hankus]

Under the Criminal Code:

Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462)

Part 4 Prohibited Devices

Former Magazine Control Regulations
s. 3(2)(iii)

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that


(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that



(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,



(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or



(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;

h t t p://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cr/SOR-98-462/bo-ga:s_1::bo-ga:s_2?page=2

 

[tootall]

Hello MrMatt, as the Newbie Mod around here, allow me to welcome you to the mighty CGN.
In my sigline below, you will see a link to the Newbie FAQ Section. Check it out, it does answer those questions and many more.

You are correct about bolters not having any mag size restriction.
The deal with the LE mag is that the NFA pointed out that there was a conversion made to the LE to turn it into a full auto gun for training purposes. As an autoloader now exists, this could possibly mean all LE mags would be limited to 5.
In fact, the key word in the law is "Designed", as in the mag is designed for a bolter, even if it fits a FA later on. This same rule is what now allows 10 round pistol mags for the RRA AR15 pistol to be sold here.

HTH

 

[TheTooner]

The Garand M1 has a built in magazine so it doesn't require another one, prohibited or otherwise. The en-bloc clips are by definition, not magazines.