M10x possible?

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Bracketman said:
What's the issue with the current dealer selling these (I haven't been on too much lately, maybe I'm missing something)?
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From my understanding is CanAm did the leg work on getting m&m to produce this for us,and worked with the RCMP to get it classified,the other dealers are basically piggy backing on that from my understanding.

Pretty common place
 
M+M stated that they have been working on bringing this to the Canadian market, and have not chosen a distributor, i do not believe that one dealer will have exclusive access to this rifle from what m+m stated. The other dealer wouldn't just go on and offer a pre order without knowing if they will get any rifles.
 
CanAm just waiting for your info. Would rather buy from you than the other guys that always sell stuff at 5-10% more than everyone else.
 
DT741 said:
I know, thats why I'm asking
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Looks like two things:

1) Can Am was probably thinking of getting the more expensive Elite model (which would be a shame, the Zhukov is much better value), and

2) They were planning to add the NR tax to their offering - whoops! A competitor has set the pace at $1000 less.
 
Claven2 said:
Looks like two things:

1) Can Am was probably thinking of getting the more expensive Elite model (which would be a shame, the Zhukov is much better value), and

2) They were planning to add the NR tax to their offering - whoops! A competitor has set the pace at $1000 less.
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Neither. It was based on the original price quotes from M+M who holds all the cards. Manufacturers in the USA and Europe understand full well the desirability of their AK/AR alternatives to Canadian shooters.

We'll talk to M+M next week and see what's gong on.
 
Canada Ammo said:
We were given the exclusive distributorship in Canada
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Then, may I suggest, you been SCREWED.

Reminds me of what Wolverine just went through with the EVO, or what TI went through with the FAMAE rifles. Do all the work, someone else swoops in with a larger order, gets better terms from the mfgr, while you lose credibility, exclusivity, and return on investment.

I feel for ya, but at the same time, $1400 makes sense, while $2400 does not for a rifle that sells routinely in the USA for around $1100. Heck, the MSRP is sitting at $1249 right now and nobody sells for MSRP.
 
I wasn't going to comment until I spoke with M+M, but there is a lot of speculation.

When I pressed M+M on their very high pricing, I was told they had an agreement with their US investors to use export pricing to subsidize US pricing. Retail would be $2000-$2400 once the dust settled , based on exchange at time of import/approval. So be it, it is their boat. So I announced a rough price at the time, with a very low margin for us, and a dealer price that meant we likely had to only sell customer direct.

M+M is a small company which seems to be pulled in several directions, and changes its mind on a whim. So be it.

Obviously, things have changed, this is business. I will know more this week.
 
Claven2 said:
Then, may I suggest, you been SCREWED.

Reminds me of what Wolverine just went through with the EVO, or what TI went through with the FAMAE rifles. Do all the work, someone else swoops in with a larger order, gets better terms from the mfgr, while you lose credibility, exclusivity, and return on investment.


I feel for ya, but at the same time, $1400 makes sense, while $2400 does not for a rifle that sells routinely in the USA for around $1100. Heck, the MSRP is sitting at $1249 right now and nobody sells for MSRP.
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Well this is interesting. I would think the other sponsor would be unable to order more units then canam.
 
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CanAm said:
I wasn't going to comment until I spoke with M+M, but there is a lot of speculation.

When I pressed M+M on their very high pricing, I was told they had an agreement with their US investors to use export pricing to subsidize US pricing. Retail would be $2000-$2400 once the dust settled , based on exchange at time of import/approval. So be it, it is their boat. So I announced a rough price at the time, with a very low margin for us, and a dealer price that meant we likely had to only sell customer direct.

M+M is a small company which seems to be pulled in several directions, and changes its mind on a whim. So be it.

Obviously, things have changed, this is business. I will know more this week.
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I could see that, but if true, it would dissuade me from ever buying an M&M product. For one thing, they are NOT a US company (or at least, they are a US storefront owned by a foreign company). The parent company is Romanian-owned and the owners have a pretty heavy eastern european dialect based on their youtube videos (!). The M10X, depending who you ask, may be fully made in the states, but their parent corp is apparently not American. Selling cheap to US customers at the expense of foreign sales just means other offerings will be more attractive in foreign markets than the M10X.

At $1400, it will compete well with the BCL102, VZ58 variants, and the Type81. At $2400, it was competing with the ATRS modern hunter and FAMAE offerings. I predict it would not have done well given far cheaper and well regarded 7.62x39 offerings.

Plus, I might add, IRG and @#### would (and likely WILL) bring them in as grey market at US prices. $2400 would look pretty silly when I can theoretically buy one as of today (thanks RCMP!) and pay just the difference in money through the grey market dealers - all told, under $1400 Canadian.

That said, I completely understand that 2 years ago, the market was different.

I hope you get satisfaction with the OEM on Tuesday (actually, they would be open Monday if you are in a hurry). It honestly does sound like they are not honouring whatever agreement you had with them.
 
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Claven2 said:
I could MAYBE see that, but if true, it would dissuade me from ever buying an M&M product. For one thing, they are NOT a US company. They are Romanian-owned. The M10X, depending who you ask, may be fully made in the states, but their parent corp is not American. Selling cheap domestically at the expense of foreign sales just means other offerings will be more attractive in foreign markets than the M10X.

At $1400, it will compete well with the BCL102, VZ58 variants, and the Type81. At $2400, it was competing with the ATRS modern hunter and FAMAE offerings. I predict it would not have done well given far cheaper and well regarded 7.62x39 offerings.

Plus, I might add, IRG and ##### would (and likely WILL) bring them in as grey market at US prices. $2400 would look pretty silly when I can theoretically buy one as of today (thanks RCMP!) and pay just the difference in money through the grey market dealers - all told, under $1400 Canadian.

That said, I completely understand that 2 years ago, the market was different.
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I am simply repeating what was discussed with them. As I said, things have changed. It seems, at that time, the pricing structure was needed to appease the investors regarding US retail pricing being lower than they wanted.
 
CanAm said:
I am simply repeating what was discussed with them. As I said, things have changed. It seems, at that time, the pricing structure was needed to appease the investors regarding US retail pricing being lower than they wanted.
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It's still dirty pool to make you go through the classification hoops, then knee-cap you by massively undercutting the price to your competitors.
 
Canada Ammo said:
Neither. It was based on the original price quotes from M+M who holds all the cards. Manufacturers in the USA and Europe understand full well the desirability of their AK/AR alternatives to Canadian shooters.

We'll talk to M+M next week and see what's gong on.
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You can understand how this looks like from our perspective. Maybe some Romanian got lost in translation.
I would also rather deal with you, but not at 1000$ more.
 
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