Yes, its an ak drum
M10x vs type 81 final results
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Yes, its an ak drum
the whole idea of the rifle like this is.... well, those people who've been through army are looking for something robust and reliable. it SHOULD NOT matter what cartridges you use, it should shoot it no problem, yes accuracy may vary, vbut real combat is not a sniper combat most of time, subMOA doesn't exist in regular troups, 12 moa at 100 meters-is enough to permanently or for quite some time knock the target. It SHOULD NOT matter what magazines you use, your rifle MUST accept them all (well, at least, most military grade ones)-no problem or major issues as long as they are designed for the platform. When people start telling me that I used wrong cartridges, wrong magazines... what I can I say, those guys have no clue about AK platform, especially teh original one (not Pakistan counterfait) which shoots no matter what. M10x is a very interesting platform and may have some potential, but needs a major tweak so it becomes military-grade comparable. SKS, AK, T81-they are all made for the military, used by millions of people-no problem. M10x is a greenhouse rifle for the greenhouse plants, at least at this stage. German Panther tanks looked amazing, but yet they were f...ed by T34 and ugly looking "IS" (aka Joseph Stalin) tanks. So it is not about the look, it is about spirit, truth and justice.
^^^ i agree with that analogy, I did test a variety of different mags in the m10x, I have a drum, and 3 different makes of mags, also different sizes, 5/10 and 5/30.
Mags didn't make a difference, ran perfectly with the different mags, just wouldn't fire the surplus reliability because of light primer strikes. And I'm sure that's an easy fix with a stronger spring.
I'm actually going to contact m&m , if they are able to provide me with a stronger hammer spring I'm willing to bet it would be a great gun, would cycle all ammo and increase the trigger pull a bit . Win win.... the only 2 issues I had with the gun.
I did contact m+m this morning about a heavier hammer spring, should be interesting to see what their customer service is like. North syliva is horrible for that , I contacted them twice and no replies at all, I've even created a thread on their page here and they just deleted it. I personally will never deal with them because of it.
Mags didn't make a difference, ran perfectly with the different mags, just wouldn't fire the surplus reliability because of light primer strikes. And I'm sure that's an easy fix with a stronger spring.
I'm actually going to contact m&m , if they are able to provide me with a stronger hammer spring I'm willing to bet it would be a great gun, would cycle all ammo and increase the trigger pull a bit . Win win.... the only 2 issues I had with the gun.
I did contact m+m this morning about a heavier hammer spring, should be interesting to see what their customer service is like. North syliva is horrible for that , I contacted them twice and no replies at all, I've even created a thread on their page here and they just deleted it. I personally will never deal with them because of it.
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I guess with the very light trigger that is in the Canadian market guns they’ve reduced the hammer spring to accomplish that.
Interesting to hear what m+m have to say about that. From reading other people’s communication with their customer service, it’s basically they’ll take a long time (maybe up to 1-2 weeks) to reply since they’ve been swamped with the crazy US gun market and then ship you out the replacement parts.
Have you also taken a look at the firing pin and channel, just in case something is going on there what could be interfering, dirty, bent pin, etc...
Otherwise it’s good that the gun is cycling as it should, if you get it to work with the cheap surplus then I think you’ve got a great gun.
Interesting to hear what m+m have to say about that. From reading other people’s communication with their customer service, it’s basically they’ll take a long time (maybe up to 1-2 weeks) to reply since they’ve been swamped with the crazy US gun market and then ship you out the replacement parts.
Have you also taken a look at the firing pin and channel, just in case something is going on there what could be interfering, dirty, bent pin, etc...
Otherwise it’s good that the gun is cycling as it should, if you get it to work with the cheap surplus then I think you’ve got a great gun.
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I've not fired or handled an M10x.
I can echo similar results and notes on the T81 folder I owned.
The bolt catch was not raised by all magazines I had (I had 4 total and only 2 of them raised the catch)
The Mag Release lever cross pin would walk out with firing. I had to center punch both ends of it to swell the metal out and keep it locked in the guide hole.
Accuracy was initially good until it heated up and then it was printing sewer lid groups at 100 meters with Chinese surplus.
It WAS reliable on loading, firing and extraction. I put many hundreds of rounds through it before I realized I didn't really enjoy it enough to justify having $1K + tied up in it.
Also the novelty of having a detachable 30 round magazine pinned to 5 rounds wore off quick with a gigantic banana mag hanging off it full of empty space.
The folding stock was solid and very rigid both folded and extended.
The wood handle on mine was cut too narrow and slopped around in the stamped plate that it sits in underside of the receiver. I cut a piece of hardwood and glued and pinned it to the forward space of the grip between the trigger guard and the grip. Then reinstalled it and tightened the screw back down.
The sleeve that is on the barrel is useless weight and steel for nothing. I removed mine while I owned and shot it before selling it. Would be better served if they came without the goofy pointless sleeve for our market and a threaded end with a simple AK style slant compensator or a suppressor of some kind for aesthetics and function but that's just my 2 cents.
In the end my $175 Chinese SKS outperformed it in every aspect except for look cool factor and I sold the T81 and bought more ammo for the SKS plus a set of Tech Site peep sights and did a simple home trigger job on it.
Its one gun I have never regretted selling.
Assuming OP got the Type 81 back when they were $1000 then with the M10X we're talking $2800 + taxes fir two 5MOA rifles.
For the same money you could pick up a CZ 527 ($1000), Rings ($75) a good optic ($425), and 4320 rounds of surplus ammo ($400 per 1440 crate) that you'll get 2-3MOA accuracy with and still be left with $100 to go out for a great dinner with.
If OP got their Type 81 at say $1500 then you could throw another 1440 rounds of ammo into the mix then use the additional spare $100 on beer
Admitadly not semi auto but definitely good value for money
For the same money you could pick up a CZ 527 ($1000), Rings ($75) a good optic ($425), and 4320 rounds of surplus ammo ($400 per 1440 crate) that you'll get 2-3MOA accuracy with and still be left with $100 to go out for a great dinner with.
If OP got their Type 81 at say $1500 then you could throw another 1440 rounds of ammo into the mix then use the additional spare $100 on beer
Admitadly not semi auto but definitely good value for money
Nope, I paid 1900 for my type 81 folder with 4 mags, and 1900 for an m10x short handguard.
I did trade a few surplus guns on both so didn't pay all cash but value wise that's what I paid. And honestly will be keeping both.
Absolutely I'm really glad you're happy with your purchases. It just happens to be that for the same money I'd choose something different.
Realistically what are you going to choose, I've seen what's out there, legally these 2 are as close to an ak as you are going to get without paying for a vamlet.
So just to clarify, I don't think you've made a bad choice and I don't mean to come across that way, I made my comments to highlight to those reading the thread an alternative that could be purchased for the same money.
I chose the CZ527, it's good for hunting, and affordable target shooting out to 400m
If I wanted an AK without paying for a Finnish one I wouldn't buy one because all the alternatives are lots of money and little quality, but if I had to then sure the Type 91 and M10X are the closest things out there. No disagreements there.
If I wanted a semi-auto in 7.62x39 I'd lean towards a WS-MCR because I could change the upper to 5.56 in the future, I can use 10 round magazines, availability of accessories and ability to put on an optic.
If I wanted a modern rifle with a bit of history attached to it I'd go towards the X95
If I wanted something really high end I'd hit the APC
that is what it is exactly.
it is not hard to have a new trainee putting down any target with open sights and those are not sniper rifle indeed.
it amazes me that some are not happy with the open sights of the t81 they re great for what it is i do like but maybe because my training did not give me what i like but what i was given to use ...
We aren't comparing all guns here,,, I have no use for either the m10x or the type 81. They are what they are. I have 6933's and acr's and a bunch of better guns than either of these.
This was just a comparison of ak wannabe guns.
For no other reason than just because.
Both have their faults and if I could only afford one of them for shtf I would save up and buy something else.
Actually if I really had to choose it would be the type 81 atm only because of ammo compatibility.
In comparison to most other irons... they straight up suck, heck even my 17th century Kentucky rifle has more effective irons lol
They are hands down the worst iron sights ever devised and issued for large scale use. The Chinese had decades of examples to look at, many examples in their own armories to compare (from Enfields, to Mausers, M16s to AKs) then made the worst possible choice.
The sights are not "great for what they do" because what they do is very bad. A 6moa rifle made in the 1980s after an attempt to increase accuracy compared to AKs and SKS rifles is a dismal failure. It is heavier, longer and less accurate than the AK-74 and arguably the AK-47. At every step this rifle was a failure. But it is cool to own.
when you have a minute check with a ak 47 when you ll be in the states.
you have to think again: that rifle was not made for us per say but it s a service rifle that was made for us the canadian market ...
but we all know that is not a good rifle and that is why it is sold out ...
always surprise about what we re ....
I've used an AK for several years, I'm well aware of it's sights and limitations.
Saying it's a service rifle made for a consumer market is no excuse, it doesn't change the design, the materials it is made of or the factory it came from.
Sales do not equate to quality in a controlled market. If Hershey was the only chocolate anyone could buy and only 1000 bars a year were made it would sell out, that doesn't make Hersheys anything more than mud sprinkled with Cocoa
I have no idea what your last point is, the use of Ellipsis isn't helping me understand any of your points
IMO they are worse then AKs. Ive shot one and handled a few over the years. I think its a combo of the thick front sight post and short sight radius that plagues the Type 81SA.
if you own you should sell if this is that bad lol ...
still shootable? in the army when i was trained we had to shoot half men designed target i can do as good as the famas or 49/56 and im no more in my 20s ... this is not a sniper rifle ...
