M14 for hunting moose/barrel length question

I took an m1 garand bear hunting, m1a bear and deer hunting. They are heavy and the noise on working the bolt to chamber a round is enough to scare everything within a mile away. Remeber you can't just lightly put the bolt down, a lot of times I find with this design it doesn't fully chamber the round. So you either let the op rod and spring do the work or you force (heel of the hand) the op-rod down after you "lightly" let the bolt down. Both of these cause a lot of noise. Do yourself a favour a buy a used bolt gun on EE for the few times you go hunting and keep the m305 for the range and for fun.
 
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The weight doesn't bother me that much, I routinely walk long distances while carrying some weighty stuff. But then again, I never lugged a rifle around for a long period of time, but I think I can manage.

Both of these cause a lot of noise. Do yourself a favour a buy a used bolt gun on EE for the few times you go hunting and keep the m305 for the range and for fun.

Good point about the noise, I never really thought about that. But still, I don't really want to own that many guns. Is it possible to rent them? I guess I could buy a used bolt gun then sell it back when I'm finished with it.
 
I have hunted with a 305 plenty and it works well enough. Weight affects accuracy when you need to pop off a quick shot so it may rely on its semi auto capabilities. When you are trying to be sneaky, the bolt slamming home to chamber your round does not help. And if you think you will walk around with a round in the chamber and a the chinese saftey on you are asking for trouble. I usually leave the 305 at home now and hunt with a crumby old sported .303.

For the sake of argument, can you provide proof of an instance when a norc m305 safety has failed causing an ND?

Didnt think so.
 
For the sake of argument, can you provide proof of an instance when a norc m305 safety has failed causing an ND?

Didnt think so.

Asinine comment you got there. It makes you come off as a Troll.

Of course I don't.
A failing safety ultimately resulting in the gun firing does not a ND make. That would be a AD. Like if you slipped and fell while walking on a hunt, with the rifle you thought was on safe and a round in the chamber. #### happens.
That being said, there are definitely some Norc M305 safeties that disengage way too easily.
The OP is clearly a newby and is asking for advice. I think the advice I gave is good.
Nuff said.
 
For the sake of the OP (Original Poster ProudPhoenician) a ND is a Negligent Discharge and a AD is an Accidental Discharge.

I have handled two M305s with very weak safety detents that did not make much noise at all. It seems that's why they were too easy engage and disengage.

Most are OK though but I would not trust my live or that of my hunting partners to one.

I bet yomomma did not like did not like the close call. A similar instance ended my grandfathers hunting trips forever.
 
If I was going to own only one center fire rifle that would not be it. If I was going to own one rifle for hunting that would not be it.
 
With a kill zone the size of a small [these days] color TV any moose is dead hit with a .308 and the correctly constructed bullets out to 300 yards no problem.Moose when hit usually just stand and take it until they just fall over and realize they are dead.Chasing a freshly shot moose is a mistake ,unless you enjoy carrying them over an obstacle course deeper in jet boat terrain .Wait 1/2 hour for them to stiffen up before tracking then commence skinning...............Harold
 
My 2007 Norc 22" barrel is my backup .308 on moose/deer hunts. The Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle is nice and light and I ain't getting any younger! :cool:

Although I have hunted with the M1A over 20 years ago! I was young and foolish, and it sure was fun!

Here were are "outstanding" in the field:

(1995) Out for groundhogs!



Then again, hunt with what you are safe / comfortable/ competent/ and enthusiastic to hunt with! Any day hunting is worth it! :eek:

Cheers: :wave:

Barney
 
Asinine comment you got there. It makes you come off as a Troll.

Of course I don't.
A failing safety ultimately resulting in the gun firing does not a ND make. That would be a AD. Like if you slipped and fell while walking on a hunt, with the rifle you thought was on safe and a round in the chamber. #### happens.
That being said, there are definitely some Norc M305 safeties that disengage way too easily.
The OP is clearly a newby and is asking for advice. I think the advice I gave is good.
Nuff said.

Nuff said? Uhhh lmao
He doesn't come off as a troll. You kinda come-off as angry.
I clearly haven't handled as many M14s or 305s or M1As as you have but I have more than fondled more than a few dozen.
I'm with the guy you're beating-up. I've never seen a floppy safety that can disengage itself. In fact, I always thought it to be a pretty darned safe safety.

Hey, I'm not trying to start a big safety argument. I just think that a safety is to be used when there is one in the chamber. I even have some guns who's safeties wont even engage unless the action is cocked and assumedly there is one in the chamber. I thought that's what they're FOR.
OF COURSE you should and can NEVER TRUST A SAFETY completely but I think that walking/hunting in the woods locked and loaded with the safety on is acceptable?
Idk. I'm not trying to be a troll about it. NOW it's 'nuff said. Now that I decided rotflmao.

To the OP, if I was going to have only one centerfire long gun, well if I could have only one gun in total, naturally it would be a 12gauge shotgun but if I was going to own only one cf rifle and I wanted to also use it for big game hunting, an M14 is probably a pretty good choice.
Being an owner of M14s and M305s I can ABSOLUTELY echo the fact that it is a heavy boat anchor. NO idea how much my #1/favourite weighs but I'm pretty sure it hasn't seen 7lbs since it was a receiver only lol.
They are not the MOST reliable rifle out there either.
Oh..before I forget, and also as was mentioned and like you already know, the short ones can have issues. Do your research and if getting a shorty, best to buy in person so you can inspect everything and make sure the gas system and barrel and unitised. Well... you know..that they are tight and aligned. The research will tell you what to look for.

Back to the show... as a versatile platform... it's a pretty good one. There is a LOT of ammo available..hunting loads and bullets to relatively cheap milsurp. It can be a plinker, a hunter, heck, there are much better (lighter) options but you can even enter the Heavy Metal category of 3-gun competitions with it.
You can run and gun with it. Train, run drills...
Idk. I can't offhand think of a WHOLE lot of better options that will let you do ALL that. Definitely won't be able to TOUCH it at the pricepoint and the NR classification is pretty huge for a lot of us.
I'll tell you what. It'll be one of the LAST guns I get rid of.

But yeah man... they are SO heavy.
For moose hunting you would be SO much better off with an affordable Savage (for example) bolt gun in a magnum caliber but...running and gunning, plinking, fast mag dumps, mounting red dots, going completely bananas with tacticool mods :blush: and shooting coyotes or QCI Sitka blacktails... with a .300 or .338 bolt gun aint gonna be a WHOLE lot of fun and for SURE will cost you a FORTUNE.

HOWEVER, there's a good possibility... well there's a chance...ok it COULD happen that Mister Trudeau, well I guess the somehow law-making RCMP will reclassify the M14 as restricted or prohibited.
If you have the $ and a friend with a PAL, you should take a trip down to Canadian Tire and ask to see and handle a half dozen (for starters) of their shorties. Oh, I'd personally absolutely go with a short one but again, do the research and buy only a solid one. Get buddy to buy it and keep it at his place until your PAL or RPAL arrives.
Further, call me paranoid or whatever you want but get your friend to pay with cash and to not let CT record his info. They probably wont anyway. At our local CT you show your licence to the gun dept employee long enough for him/her to confirm that it's you on the card and that the exp date hasn't passed and then the firearm or ammo is brought to the Customer Service counter. You can pay for it there (well buddy can) or at a regular register and just tell the cashier that your rifle is at CS. There is no record of your PAL kept and again, if you use cash..
This part is all ONLY if you figure the M14 might get reclassified and you wish to own an illegal firearm once the law changes.

Sorry for the long-winded post but in the end yeah...I say go for the M14. It's a fun rifle. Fun to shoot and fun to modify. And you can even drop a moose with the thing!!
 
take it hunting! i just got my M305 with a blackfeather stock and optic before christmas....havent put it on the scale but it weighs about the same as my savage 10PC. the old guys cry about how heavy it is and yup it has a bit of heft to it. accuracy, im not worried about, stock barrel and I am shooting clays out to 200 yards with surplus ammo (dont hunt with surplus ammo, its FMJ) without much trouble. if i were going to hunt with it i would think about a one point sling so that its still fast to shoulder...... a gun doesnt need to shoot 1/4" MOA at 1000 yards like some guys seem to think. know your limits. know the limits of your cartridge and put some meat in the freezer. oh yea and as far as it being noisy or trusting a chinese safety with one in the pipe. if you are that concerned about it put a GI trigger group in it or keep it on safe and keep your finger out of the damn trigger guard! people have their finger on the trigger WAY too often and it drives me nuts. unless you are ready to pull the trigger, keep it out of the trigger guard.
 
Meh, "Nuff said" by me that was. Not trying to shut down the convo. Have to admit, I was a bit ruffled by Sakonuts comment on my post.
I won't walk any real distance with one in the chamber while relying on a safety. Especially on uneven ground. Grampa fell victim to a "#### Cheney situation" while hunting with some buddies so it hits close to home for me. At more than a few dozen you have certainly fondled more than I have. I must just have similar luck to the old guy.
 
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