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Is it all possible to get some CMI or Springfield 5/20 or 5/25 magazines into this country. I have been searching and searching with no luck. Am I relegated to using Chinese mags forever? If anyone knows where to get some or has a secret stash let me know! Dealers?
 
Yes, but what brand are they? There are magazines made in the good ole USA that are total crap...USA Magazines was such a company that made horrible, non-functioning mags. *spits*

I've had good fortune with Norc mags, but I wouldn't mind getting some good quality mags. I wish Magpul made them for the M-14.
 
I am going over to the States in a few weeks, and while I am at the Border I am going to check to see if its legal or not for me to buy mags Stateside, drill and rivet them Stateside, limiting them to only 5 rounds, then transport them back to Canada. I was told by a Firearms instructor once that its okay to do that, but I think that I will check with the border officers just in case.

If its okay to do, then I will be try to bring a few back and then I will be able to compare them to Chinese built ones, just to see if there is really a upgrade, or if its more cosmetic than anything.
 
Be very careful there blueflash, anything m14-related without an export permit can land you in jail. And there are no m14 clinics there! Heh heh...

Ps - bring up some surplus 308 instead. you can buy it down there for as low as 40 cents a round.
 
blueflash said:
I am going over to the States in a few weeks, and while I am at the Border I am going to check to see if its legal or not for me to buy mags Stateside, drill and rivet them Stateside, limiting them to only 5 rounds, then transport them back to Canada. I was told by a Firearms instructor once that its okay to do that, but I think that I will check with the border officers just in case.

If its okay to do, then I will be try to bring a few back and then I will be able to compare them to Chinese built ones, just to see if there is really a upgrade, or if its more cosmetic than anything.
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I started a similar thread a couple of days ago in the legalese forum. I asked if it was OK to do so, and was cut to threads:( Mostly for not looking hard enough for the answer before I posted.
Anyway, consensus there was that bringing back pinned mags was not legal, but I tried following one of the links to the Canadian govt site which supposedly said so, and found it to be broken. Then I searched there, to no avail.

I am traveling stateside myself in a couple of weeks, and would love nothing more than to try this, but since I have a family at home (and am not a fan of man rape) I would need to be quite certain that this did not land me up in Jail!

Anyone have a definitive government reference either for or against which could put this question to rest? :popCorn:
 
If you're looking for a Canadian legal reference, the only one you'll find is the one that speaks to prohibited firearm magazines (that contain more than five cartridges) and the means by which they can be permanently modified to hold only a lesser (legal) quantity.

Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462)
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/SOR-98-462/index.html
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/SOR-98-462/FullText.html
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/PDF/Regulation/S/SOR-98-462.pdf


What makes this discussion especially problematic is not any Canadian law, it is American law, administered by the U.S. Department of State.

All exporters must be registered with State (U.S. DOS).

Here is your definitive government reference; repeat after me: ITAR.

ITAR

DDTC Homepage

The U.S. Government views the sale, export, and re-transfer of defense articles and defense services as an integral part of safeguarding U.S. national security and furthering U.S. foreign policy objectives. The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC), in accordance with 22 U.S.C. 2778-2780 of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR Parts 120-130), is charged with controlling the export and temporary import of defense articles and defense services covered by the United States Munitions List (USML).

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/index.html



DDTC Homepage/ Registration

All manufacturers, exporters, and brokers of defense articles, defense services, or related technical data, as defined on the United States Munitions List (Part 121 of the ITAR) (PDF, 7MB), are required to register with DDTC. Registration is primarily a means to provide the U.S. Government with necessary information on who is involved in certain manufacturing and exporting activities. Registration does not confer any export rights or privileges, but is a precondition for the issuance of any license or other approval for export.

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/registration/index.html
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So if I attend a clinic in Canada, do I need to purchase 5 round magazines and leave my 20rounders at home?
ps I read and tried to make sense of both Canadian and US laws
 
Longeyes said:
So if I attend a clinic in Canada, do I need to purchase 5 round magazines and leave my 20rounders at home?
ps I read and tried to make sense of both Canadian and US laws
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If you are a police officer or soldier or a famous competitor you might be able to get authorization to bring standard capacity magazines. (The CFO of a province has the power to authorize the possession of same, if he or she so desires.) Otherwise, you could modify your magazines in accordance with the Regulations*.
Or not. Everybody has some extra magazines, if you ask them nicely.

If I were you, I'd just borrow some magazines.

* Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462)

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.


http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/SOR-98-462/index.html
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/SOR-98-462/FullText.html
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/PDF/Regula...SOR-98-462.pdf
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matty86suk said:
there was a dealer here sellings 20 rd un pinned mags for the m14, might be worth the looksky...
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Actually, they're for the AIA .308 Enfields - a small, but important, difference.

And, I don't know if they're even in-country yet... ki11ercane was the dealer, IIRC.

-M
 
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