M14 Quick bolt release?

hillmanr2 said:
Looking at the rifle, a sling will snag for sure and tons of crap will get in there.

B AH AH AH A HA :HR:

I will be getting one it looks fantastic and I for one like the idea.

It never ceases to amaze me at all the people that come on and argue with multiple posts about why a new product is bad. I can understand voicing an opinion but some of this goes way beyond a simple opinion. It is quite rude IMHO

Thanks for putting up with horsesh!t. I appreciate seeing new products for the m14 and I am sure many, many others do as well.

:cheers: as a fanboy of Canadian made products
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What he said. Let's welcome the Canadian made product! Bring 'em on! People will vote with their wallets! :D

Cheers,
Barney
 
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation”
--Herbert Spencer


Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
-- Albert Einstein
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Perhaps it is better to reserve judgment until it has landed and is properly trialed
 
sprint said:
Perhaps it is better to reserve judgment until it has landed and is properly trialed
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A picture is worth a 1000 words.

I can think of a number of words looking at the release photos provided by NEA.

The first two things that caught my eye before even the release itself were... the scar on the side of the receiver and the mangled end of the pin retaining the release in place. These two things indicate a lack of care or a lack of ability on the part of the installer.

Claven2 said:
As someone who has actually gone through the patent process, I respectfully disagree with you.

A bolt holdopen that also can close the bolt on an empty mag IS a new design (e.g. SEI is the patent holder!!!). The GI bolt holdopen did not have this functionality so a new patent is pending on the SEI design (or is that too SIMPLE for you??? Man, people on here have less and less manners these days!)

The R33 design, apart from the type of serration on the external surface, though both are serrated, is identical to the SEI part.

The NEA design ADDS functionality in that it doubles the surface area and increases bolt closure leverage. It uses elements of the SEI design, but if SEI chose to sue, NEA would have a compelling legal arguement that their design is functionally and materially different. It has additional capability such as easier use when wearing gloves, improved etc.
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There is no difference between the NEA, SEI, R33 and the GI configuration of the bolt release for the portion of the tab that is inside the receiver that actually contacts the bolt, holding the bolt back. The only difference between the four is the tab on the top side of the pivot point to provide the means to release the bolt. The geometry of the tab doesn't effect the way the release works other than providing the user with different variations of the same control.

I could be wrong though, perhaps NEA employs a totally different means of holding the bolt back than SEI, R33 or the GI.

Also, again perhaps my Google-fu is weak, but I am unable to find any Patent numbers for the SEI bolt release.
 
NavyCuda said:
The first two things that caught my eye before even the release itself were... the scar on the side of the receiver and the mangled end of the pin retaining the release in place. These two things indicate a lack of care or a lack of ability on the part of the installer.
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Are you serious?????????? Its a shop gun that has been beaten like a rented mule. When an optic is not installed, it is tossed around.
 
NavyCuda said:
There is no difference between the NEA, SEI, R33 and the GI configuration of the bolt release for the portion of the tab that is inside the receiver that actually contacts the bolt, holding the bolt back. The only difference between the four is the tab on the top side of the pivot point to provide the means to release the bolt. The geometry of the tab doesn't effect the way the release works other than providing the user with different variations of the same control.

I could be wrong though, perhaps NEA employs a totally different means of holding the bolt back than SEI, R33 or the GI.

Also, again perhaps my Google-fu is weak, but I am unable to find any Patent numbers for the SEI bolt release.
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How about personal and professional pride in your product. Some people and companies pride themselves in not ripping off every design that comes along. This is Canada and not the Peoples Republic.. Some people bother to make improvements and not copies. Is that not good enough? If you like another version buy it.. If you want to wait for one of the other less than original companies to knock one out in a PC sweatshop for $10.. Have at er, it dosent mean that everyone else shares your ideals.

Personally, we choose to retail and support NEA products because they share our same ideals; innovative, quality built, Canadian-made products. I'm sure people will talk with their wallets.. No worries with that.

Again, I'll defer to my previous post.. If you don't like it, don't buy it and try to refrain from sharing your discontent; we get it.
 
Charles Martel said:
Its a shop gun that has been beaten like a rented mule. When an optic is not installed, it is tossed around.
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If anything, that is a testament to the confidence one should have in the manufacturer in testing and developing products.

Manufacturers like this run their firearms hard so that others can talk about not worrying about snags, jams and debris at the gunshop and range.
 
NavyCuda said:
Well shop gun or not I find it greatly worrisome when a manufacture releases photos of a product that they didn't even take the time to properly install into the rifle. The scar on the receiver alone is forgivable, as there are a number of reasons that could have occured. The mangled pin on the other hand can be linked to one thing, carelessness.

How hard would it been to remove the mangled pin and put a good clean one in there so when you release your photos to the world your workmanship and quality doesn't come into question. Five minutes of your time and an extra profane word for screwing up a pin?

Perhaps NEA will think next time before posting pictures of their products with poor workmanship on the installation.
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I can say in all honesty, this will be the last time we release photos of a pre production component. Its just not worth the time and effort.

When it comes time to release marketing materials for the production batch everything will be pristine. If you check on the other boards we advertise with you will not find any of the sneak peaks we offer here. After today it wont happen here either.
 
NavyCuda said:
Well shop gun or not I find it greatly worrisome when a manufacture releases photos of a product that they didn't even take the time to properly install into the rifle. The scar on the receiver alone is forgivable, as there are a number of reasons that could have occured. The mangled pin on the other hand can be linked to one thing, carelessness.

How hard would it been to remove the mangled pin and put a good clean one in there so when you release your photos to the world your workmanship and quality doesn't come into question. Five minutes of your time and an extra profane word for screwing up a pin?

Perhaps NEA will think next time before posting pictures of their products with poor workmanship on the installation.
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Good point.
 
sprint said:
NEA/Neit

Have you guys looked at making a refit safety for the M1A that does not require placing finger in the trigger guard to manipulate?

A few such exist. Curious if this is on the wish list.
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There is an ambi safety already in the works and will be out for testing shortly.
 
Congrats to NEA on releasing a new product and I really like the made in Canada aspect as well as the look of it but I dont see me buying one for my 305 ..but for the right application it would be an improvement...
With that said..... What the heck is with some people on this site :feedTroll:
...its a 50 dollar part not the space shuttle...you people gotta lighten up... Thank God NEA wasnt offering a something for a dollar with that ...then we would get to see the fur fly all over again .:eek:
 
North Eastern Arms said:
I can say in all honesty, this will be the last time we release photos of a pre production component. Its just not worth the time and effort.

When it comes time to release marketing materials for the production batch everything will be pristine. If you check on the other boards we advertise with you will not find any of the sneak peaks we offer here. After today it wont happen here either.
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FWIW, the other Canadian M14 forum(s) would be more than happy to be the test bed for your pre-produciton photos - I guarantee a warmer reception that what I've seen in this thread.
 
jdman said:
Navycuda/WWIII

stop the trolling, or infractions will be handed out. You dont like something, move along! FFS!
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WWIII said:
In retrospect regardless of the many different opinions expressed here we should give NEA credit for making this part as it is no easy task designing and getting these custom accessories to the Canadian market at a very competitive price.

NEA must also realize debuting a product and getting feedback whether positive or negative is just par for the course. Also by giving and receiving this type of feedback, nothing is stopping NEA in future from making two versions of this product - one with a wide tab and one with a narrow tab.

BC Tactical, would there be any chance of showing us a picture of your prototype bolt release, an approximate price range and timeline when it will be available for sale.
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While I can't speak for NavyCuda I can say I wasn't trolling just giving honest opinion on NEA's product and responding to questions that were put forward to me by members of this forum - I have broken no rules and the above post should address your trolling accusation.

This thread was not started by NEA, but NEA took advantage of the opportunity to push and debut their product here for personal gain. If one can't have robust debate here for fear of hurting someone's pride and being labeled "rude" or "trolling" it speaks volumes on this topic and about the bias for NEA.

So in closing, if your going to moderate and outlaw truth and robust debate in a bias manner than this forum isn't worth the pixels its written on.
 
North Eastern Arms said:
I can say in all honesty, this will be the last time we release photos of a pre production component. Its just not worth the time and effort.

When it comes time to release marketing materials for the production batch everything will be pristine. If you check on the other boards we advertise with you will not find any of the sneak peaks we offer here. After today it wont happen here either.
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Gee thanks NavyTroller. You sure can beat a dead horse.
 
Jeezus tapdancing Christ.

For everyone here bickering back and forth; you do realize that you're talking about a small T-shaped piece of metal with a hole through the bottom, right?

Damn, it must be snowing a lot back in Canada because I can't think of a single reason why anyone would sit behind a computer screen to ##### about something so irrelevant.

Kit getting caught in it? Dirt getting caught in it? Really!??? Someone better inform the people who designed the picatinny rail, what with so many places for dirt to get caught in and fingernails to break on, they could have a real lawsuit on their hands. :rolleyes:

Some people...
 
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