M14 upgrades

45ACPKING said:
I have found trigger issues and or bolt roller contact on "most" of the SAI rifles I have examined in the past few years. Matter of fact, on december 6th at my M14 clinic in surrey, espresso604's beautiful springer showed bolt roller contact... Brand new rifle I believe.
The problem still exists.
Maybe they just send the junk rifles north LOL
I didn't need another reason to trash on SAI rifles... But now I'm convinced that they are just overpriced, over hyped junk
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Thanks Thomas I owe you, awesome clinic by the way, you saved me a lot of grief and money.
 
Personally if I'd spend 2000 or 3000$ on a rifle and it still needs some fixing, I'd call it junk too. With a 550$ rifle I can expect to fix it, but thats ok because of the price I paid.

OP, did you tried it yet? Im curious to know how it groups. Please post pictures if you can! :)
 
Dake21 said:
Personally if I'd spend 2000 or 3000$ on a rifle and it still needs some fixing, I'd call it junk too. With a 550$ rifle I can expect to fix it, but thats ok because of the price I paid.

OP, did you tried it yet? Im curious to know how it groups. Please post pictures if you can! :)
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There is nothing to fix on the rifle I bought. I'm talking upgrades like brakes or triggers and so on. Not very familiar with M14s as this is the first. No I have not yet fired it as I'm waiting for a SEI brake to come in. I just mounted the scope using a Casm steel mount and ordered a Turner sling. Will post pics soon of some groups.
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Seafury said:
In fairness Thomas you have also stated a dislike for them based on principal. If I'm not mistaken you don't care for the fact that they adopted the US military armory name and possibly some other issues I'm not aware of. That's your right and I'm not going to tell you that it's wrong to feel that way. I guess you'll understand that some of us don't care for communist China duplicating and profiting on an American design. I hate that the market is flooded with cheaply made and priced goods from there. Also many of us bought Springfield's when as far as I know they were the only other game in town aside from the Norinco. The LRB has only been widely marketed in Canada for a few years and the Rockola even more recently. Are we supposed to dump our garbage and step up to a admittedly better rifle for no other reason than ours are not quite as good despite the fact none of us will ever know the difference? An LRB is almost double the cost of an M1A. Rockola almost one and a half times.

I sure don't have Norinco envy despite the widely known fact that a shim and spring guide makes them varmint rifles with a tasco and commie ball.
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If I undertand correct, didn't the US sell there M14 tooling to the Chinese back in the day??? If so, how would they be coping a design they lawfully own???

I'll also add, if you don't like the market flooded with cheap stuff from there, stop buying it. I would guess that 90 percent of the house hold goods in our homes is made in China. I'd love some to see a TV, fridge, stove, toster...ect made in North America, not goin happen.
 
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Nope, Taiwan was the recipient of US tooling and some expertise in setting it all up.
Mainland china came up with their own tooling somehow...at least that's how I understand it.
 
part of the confusion comes from the fact that the Taiwanese often refer to themselves as "Chinese" as well.
 
There are in fact two governments which both claim to be the legitimate government of all China:
Taiwan = Republic of China (ROC)
Mainland China = People's Republic of China (PRC)

After the Communist takeover in 1949, the Nationalist Chinese government was left in possession of only Taiwan and a few other small islands. Taiwan is historically part of China and the current official policy of the ROC is not to claim independence of Taiwan from China. Most countries have official diplomatic relations with the PRC and informal relations with the ROC.
 
It wasn't a Chinese "colony". It was part of mainland China and the pre-communist government fled there after the communists took over in 1949. Mainland china still considers it a part of "China"
 
PitBull1973 said:
I just bought a Super Match . So wondering if there would be any upgrades I should consider. I picked a casm mount (steel) , turner sling and voodoo cheek riser to start. Also any tools I might need. Thanks
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I think you're good to go as is, as long as your rifle passes the checks already noted here I'd just shoot the hell out of it.

I would invest in a bolt dis-assembly tool and a good one piece cleaning rod (not steel)...also a cleaning rod bore guide...you can make one from a 12ga shotgun shell.

If any parts are sub-par you'll know soon enough and shouldn't have any problems finding quality replacements.
 
However mainland China got the tooling to build m14 clones, thanks to goodness for it!!

At this point, I'd still rather build-up a norc, or lrb reciever with GI parts. But I'm that guy rebuilding a 30 year old truck for a daily driver too. I like to know exactly what I have, and how to rebuild it if I have to.
 
Jmiverson said:
However mainland China got the tooling to build m14 clones, thanks to goodness for it!!

At this point, I'd still rather build-up a norc, or lrb reciever with GI parts. But I'm that guy rebuilding a 30 year old truck for a daily driver too. I like to know exactly what I have, and how to rebuild it if I have to.
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Not true, is was Taiwan that built the type 57 which is an M14 copy with tooling obtained from the United States, the mainland Chinese either reversed engineered the M14 or somehow obtained the blue prints from Winchester (industrial espionage)
 
Anyone who wants to really know the full story needs to read Lee Emerson's ongoing History and Development of the M14. Don't trust getting your info from internet posts like mine or others. Lee Emerson goes by the user name "different" on the various firearm forums, including this one. The work includes the history of the GI rifle, and most if not all clones/copies.
Lee has put years of time into verifying the info he has written. It is there to help us all.
China... The big continent part, the communist china we all know, did not receive or buy US military tooling. They came up with their own.
Taiwan (or whatever name it goes by) was an ally nation unlike mainland china. It is tHese folks who received the tooling. I think but could be mistaken, that Elmer Balance or one of the SAI associates assisted in helping get that tooling actually working properly. BUT like I said above, don't trust that info... Use the google fu and spend some time researching Lee Emerson's online book on the subject.
 
rhino62 said:
Not true, is was Taiwan that built the type 57 which is an M14 copy with tooling obtained from the United States, the mainland Chinese either reversed engineered the M14 or somehow obtained the blue prints from Winchester (industrial espionage)
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What's not true?? I don't care how China got or built the tooling to build cheap m14 copies, just glad I can get em!
 
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